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  • goshawk823
    Commander

    • Oct 2010
    • 259

    #3001
    Originally posted by He Who Shall Not Be Named

    I'm all ears, Manfred. I'm completing the re-trim of my Type-23 tonight -- this third change of the boats c.g.-c.b. about seven inches aft of the initial c.g.-c.b. position, which was, when first operated, at the boats longitudinal mid-point. Open water test this Sunday. Film at Eleven, my friend.

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    Hoping this does the trick for you, David. It’s too nice a boat to not run well.

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    • He Who Shall Not Be Named
      Moderator

      • Aug 2008
      • 13403

      #3002
      Originally posted by goshawk823

      Hoping this does the trick for you, David. It’s too nice a boat to not run well.
      You bet! This is my third Type-23 from Bronco. Wonderful kit and deserves to run well. It's on me... Mr. 'expert'.

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      Who is John Galt?

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      • redboat219
        Admiral

        • Dec 2008
        • 3381

        #3003
        I believe this Tom's Chalfant's Type XXIII with your 2.5 SD. No porpoising whatsoever.

        Unfortunately it was lost out on patrol.
         
        Make it simple, make strong, make it work!

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        • He Who Shall Not Be Named
          Moderator

          • Aug 2008
          • 13403

          #3004
          Originally posted by redboat219
          I believe this Tom's Chalfant's Type XXIII with your 2.5 SD. No porpoising whatsoever.

          Unfortunately it was lost out on patrol.
          First time I've seen this video. Thanks for sharing. Now, I have hope!
          Who is John Galt?

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          • DrSchmidt
            Rear Admiral

            • Apr 2014
            • 1239

            #3005
            Did you try turning the leveler feedback down, Dave?

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            • He Who Shall Not Be Named
              Moderator

              • Aug 2008
              • 13403

              #3006
              Originally posted by DrSchmidt
              Did you try turning the leveler feedback down, Dave?
              Yes, went through all three sensitivity settings. No joy.
              Who is John Galt?

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              • Subculture
                Admiral

                • Feb 2009
                • 2414

                #3007
                No improvement with the leveller bypassed I take it?

                All these things come out of the same jelly mould.

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                • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                  Moderator

                  • Aug 2008
                  • 13403

                  #3008
                  Originally posted by Subculture
                  No improvement with the leveller bypassed I take it?

                  All these things come out of the same jelly mould.
                  I tend to agree with you, Andy; seems that the evidence points its bony finger of guilt at the angle-keeper. After this Sunday's deep water run, after this severe c.g.-c.b. change, I still get the wild pitching underwater, I'll swap out the angle keeper with a different unit. Your input always welcome, pal.
                  Who is John Galt?

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                  • biggsgolf
                    Captain

                    • Jan 2020
                    • 923

                    #3009
                    Originally posted by He Who Shall Not Be Named

                    I tend to agree with you, Andy; seems that the evidence points its bony finger of guilt at the angle-keeper. After this Sunday's deep water run, after this severe c.g.-c.b. change, I still get the wild pitching underwater, I'll swap out the angle keeper with a different unit. Your input always welcome, pal.
                    Yup, that's why I asked you what sensitivity it was set to

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                    • redboat219
                      Admiral

                      • Dec 2008
                      • 3381

                      #3010
                      What if you try a different brand like Engels, Microgyros or the old Subtech levellers?
                      Last edited by redboat219; 05-22-2025, 09:29 AM.
                      Make it simple, make strong, make it work!

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                      • Subculture
                        Admiral

                        • Feb 2009
                        • 2414

                        #3011
                        They all tend to operate on the same principles- accelerometer chip linked to a microcontroller, with adjustable gain sometimes continuously variable via a small trim pot or in steps by jumpers or button presses, and finer tweaking via the servo arms.

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                        • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                          Moderator

                          • Aug 2008
                          • 13403

                          #3012
                          Tested the Type-23 at the lake yesterday. Terrible results, u/w pitching is the worst yet. This is the third longitudinal change in c.g.-c.b. location on this boat. The hull goes into storage and the WTC will be re-purposed eventually. Total frustration. I don't have a clue as to what I'm doing wrong with this particular hull. Total defeat on this front.
                          Who is John Galt?

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                          • Subculture
                            Admiral

                            • Feb 2009
                            • 2414

                            #3013
                            Still got the see-saw effect with the leveller disconnected?

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                            • Ken_NJ
                              Captain

                              • Sep 2014
                              • 974

                              #3014
                              Ugh, not something I wanted to hear. Don't know what to think about it except proceed on my XXIII and hope for the best. There were a few running at Subfest that did not seem to have the problem. Steve's I think. Just something about your boat perhaps.

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                              • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                                Moderator

                                • Aug 2008
                                • 13403

                                #3015
                                Originally posted by Subculture
                                Still got the see-saw effect with the leveller disconnected?
                                Didn't try that. If, and when, I ever re-visit this boat I'll try that. Thanks, Andy. Right now I have to distance myself from that project... or someone's gonna get hurt!
                                Who is John Galt?

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