Bronco Type XXIII by Ken

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  • trout
    Admiral

    • Jul 2011
    • 3660

    #91
    Ken, love watching you work.
    If you can cut, drill, saw, hit things and swear a lot, you're well on the way to building a working model sub.

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    • Ken_NJ
      Captain

      • Sep 2014
      • 974

      #92
      Loose ends

      A few things I have not shown. To clean up the deck edges that meet with the hull, I used an emory board across both sides and slightly sanded those edges to clean them up and make them smooth.

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      I also gave some downward pressure so that the outer edge would give me a sharp clean edge when it meets the hull.

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      The aft edge of the deck seems to be wider than the 20 thousandths elsewhere. No problem, will just use a wider filler piece. In hindsight, I should have cut this with a slight angle going from top-aft to bottom-forward. As the front part of the deck is inserted the back part would seat better going into a slight angle than it would going straight down. Will attend to this at a later time once the box is cut away and the SD is set in place which is not far off.

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      Here are the machine screws holding the front and aft sections together. The topmost screw was added after I made the deck cut. Once the cut was done I needed to add a small section of acrylic and add that top screw as I guess I did not get something right.

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      Here you can see the threads in the acrylic, and the added section at the top. Once the deck was cut, the top of the hull needed a screw to secure it to the radial joint as it was not secure.
      Will be cutting that box away soon, but first have to design and build the stuffing tube and bearing for the prop and shaft which will be the next project.

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      • Das Boot
        Rear Admiral

        • Dec 2019
        • 1488

        #93
        Ken,
        Tom had an article a while back of prop shaft support he made. I put these articles in the back of my head until I one day remember them. I got one from Tom for my XXIII project, but unfortunately, I never got around to building it.
        Of the approximately 40,000 men who served on U-boats in WWII, it is estimated that around 28,000 to 30,000 lost their lives.

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        • Ken_NJ
          Captain

          • Sep 2014
          • 974

          #94
          I have it already done Casey. Fashioned my own. Just have a few things to finalize. Will be posting it after the weekend.
          Last edited by Ken_NJ; 07-13-2025, 01:52 AM.

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          • Das Boot
            Rear Admiral

            • Dec 2019
            • 1488

            #95
            Originally posted by Ken_NJ
            I have it already done Casey. Fashioned my own. Just have a few things to finalize. Will be posting it after the weekend.
            I think you’ve outdone yourself on this one. The fact of the matter remains, that you and David always make it look so easy. I’ve been working on a 45-year-old amateur radio trying to get it going again. I’m replacing old style relays with new modern ones. I’ve always been better with electronics than cutting plastic.
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            Of the approximately 40,000 men who served on U-boats in WWII, it is estimated that around 28,000 to 30,000 lost their lives.

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            • Ken_NJ
              Captain

              • Sep 2014
              • 974

              #96
              Always room for improvement. You get better the more you do it.

              I watch this guy on occasion. Interesting to see what he brings back to working condition.

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              • Das Boot
                Rear Admiral

                • Dec 2019
                • 1488

                #97
                Originally posted by Ken_NJ
                Always room for improvement. You get better the more you do it.

                I watch this guy on occasion. Interesting to see what he brings back to working condition.
                https://www.youtube.com/@MrCarlsonsLab
                I’m a big fan of Mr. Carlson‘s lab. I don’t think there’s anything that guy can’t work on. Too bad he’s way up in Canada, because I’d love to visit that place. He also got a new place to live, and has a nicer test/repair area.
                Of the approximately 40,000 men who served on U-boats in WWII, it is estimated that around 28,000 to 30,000 lost their lives.

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                • Ken_NJ
                  Captain

                  • Sep 2014
                  • 974

                  #98
                  Propeller bearing housing, first attempt

                  How do you make a bearing housing for the propeller bearings? Hmm? This is the start of what I came up. A bit of engineering going on here. BUT, this was my first attempt which in the end I was not happy with. So there is a second attempt after this one, and the final attempt.

                  Here are some of the parts I have to work with and put together into something. Note the exit point of the prop shaft. There is an inner and outer rib. The inner rib seals off the opening. The outer is just a small rib. The inner one was filed down to make it the same diameter as the outer one.

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                  Some of the many bearings I have to choose from. Very nice to have a stock of parts.

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                  The balance point of the empty SD is aft of the center of the SD. This will change once the SD is populated.

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                  Marking the center of the hull. The center point is bow to where the exit point of the prop shaft. The rudder skegs were excluded from this. The center of the SD is also noted. And you can see where the aft end of the SD is located in relation to the exit point of the shaft. So plenty of room for the intermediate shaft connecting the motor shaft to the prop shaft.

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                  Another view of the SD and the prop shaft exit point.

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                  Yeah, I get to use the lathe!!! Turning the housing on the lathe, ATTEMPT #1.

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                  The is the housing I came up with. One small bearing will go in the end against the prop. Another larger bearing will be mounted separately in a rib adhered to the hull.

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                  Another view with the two bearings.

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                  This did not suit me. Lots of times you need to make multiple attempts at making something. The end of the acrylic housing, I think it is acrylic, where the smaller bearing for the 3/16 shaft goes, was too thin and cracked. The whole bearing sits into the housing. And, I changed my mind about the setup. The second attempt has both bearings in the housing. Sit tight, the second attempt is coming up.
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                  • Ken_NJ
                    Captain

                    • Sep 2014
                    • 974

                    #99
                    Propeller bearing housing, second final attempt

                    More lathe work. Here I'm drilling out for the shaft.

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                    Final housing. You can see the two radial grooves. Those groves fit over the ribs in the hull. The smaller bearing fits into the left side and is flush with the end. The larger bearing sits on the right side but does not sit into a cup on the end.

                    The drilled opening for the shaft is 7/32 and the shaft is 3/16. The shaft will only touch the bearings, not the acrylic. With bearings at both ends, water will still get in that space between the shaft and acrylic. With water not being able to get out, it is possible slim may accumulate. My thought is I can do two things, one, fill that space with some grease, or two give some way for air to get in and let the water drain out. So I drill a drain hole and a vent hole. I can always put grease in the space and cover up those holes. Will see how this goes. Am I over thinking this?


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                    Here are all the parts. The shaft still needs to be attended to. The gray piece on the right will be adhered to the hull. The acrylic housing has a key which fits into the gray piece to lock it in position and allows me to remove the housing.

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                    Closeup of the housing with bearing CA'd in place, two radial slots, vent and drain holes, key and bearing. The larger bearing is a friction fit so it can be twisted off with a pair of pliers.

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                    Prop bearing CA'd in place.

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                    For the shaft, I marked where the set screw is.

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                    Then used a brass tube to draw a radial line.

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                    Then used the Dremel to make a flat on the shaft.

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                    The flat is essentially a slot. If the set screw on the prop or coupler backed out a little, as long as it doesn't fail out, the set screw will at least hit the outer end of the shaft and not let either fall off the shaft. The slot is essentially a stop. I've seen enough people at Subfest loose their props.

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                    Closeup of the shaft.

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                    And here is the final assembly in place.

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                    There is one more picture I need to take of both halves on the hull together.
                    Last edited by Ken_NJ; 07-15-2025, 09:42 AM.

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                    • MFR1964
                      Detail Nut of the First Order

                      • Sep 2010
                      • 1524

                      #100
                      Nice work Ken, you behave like a German Engineer, i like that, keep on going with your good work.

                      Manfred.
                      I went underground

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                      • Ken_NJ
                        Captain

                        • Sep 2014
                        • 974

                        #101
                        Propeller bearing housing

                        A few pictures from the outside. I only have the two screws you see holding the hull together.

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                        Interior picture

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                        Propellor removed showing the smaller bearing. It was a perfect size to fit this opening.

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                        Next up is cutting out most of that box in the forward hull. Not all of it will be removed. One thing I'm concerned about when the box is removed, that the hull is going to bow out of shape. I saw that with the aft section when the deck was cut, the starboard side bowed out.
                        Last edited by Ken_NJ; 07-15-2025, 11:02 AM.

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                        • Ken_NJ
                          Captain

                          • Sep 2014
                          • 974

                          #102
                          Originally posted by MFR1964
                          Nice work Ken, you behave like a German Engineer, i like that, keep on going with your good work.

                          Manfred.
                          Yea I have some German in my blood. And I'm particular, a perfectionist, stubborn and many other traits within.

                          Thanks Manfred. I think I've improved some from those days we connected on RCG with the Marlin.

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                          • MFR1964
                            Detail Nut of the First Order

                            • Sep 2010
                            • 1524

                            #103
                            Ken, we grow by experience, just like you've shown with building the propellorshaft housing, learning from your mistakes makes a better builder of yourself, as for cutting out the box, why don't you glue in some braces to keep the hull in shape, once the cradles of the SD are inside and glued tight you can cut those braces to have full access.

                            Manfred.
                            I went underground

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                            • Das Boot
                              Rear Admiral

                              • Dec 2019
                              • 1488

                              #104
                              My great grandmother came from Deutschland. So where is my engineering expertise? I guess it didn’t rub off. Nice work Ken.
                              Of the approximately 40,000 men who served on U-boats in WWII, it is estimated that around 28,000 to 30,000 lost their lives.

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                              • Subculture
                                Admiral

                                • Feb 2009
                                • 2420

                                #105
                                They were mainly farmers though- perhaps you should have taken up growing wheat or something?

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