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  • He Who Shall Not Be Named
    Moderator

    • Aug 2008
    • 13901

    #3766
    Originally posted by Subculture
    Are you spraying thinned resin into those tools?
    No. Thickened epoxy laminating resin -- micro-balloons added to mix, forming a 'home made' gel-coat.
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    • DrSchmidt
      Rear Admiral

      • Apr 2014
      • 1381

      #3767
      Another method is to get an thixotropic agent https://www.r-g.de/en/art/210120?srs...uaRreMxCGLXvC7

      Rather cheap and the surface stays harder than with micro baloons

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      • He Who Shall Not Be Named
        Moderator

        • Aug 2008
        • 13901

        #3768
        Originally posted by DrSchmidt
        Another method is to get an thixotropic agent https://www.r-g.de/en/art/210120?srs...uaRreMxCGLXvC7

        Rather cheap and the surface stays harder than with micro baloons
        Doctor, that was an excellent tip, and I'll do that. Just ordered a sample and will conduct tests with it this weekend. Thank you so much for the tip and I'll keep you informed on how this thickening agent works out as applied to the gel-coat.

        David
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        • Timothy L
          Lieutenant Commander
          • Sep 2024
          • 206

          #3769
          I love thus thread - wish I could give many photos a thumbs up - but don’t seem to have administrative permission to so - so I will just waste a bit of space saying thank you again for all of the effort that goes in to making these posts ON TOP of the work itself!!!

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          • Subculture
            Admiral

            • Feb 2009
            • 2587

            #3770
            I wondered what the spray gun was for, are you applying a release agent?

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            • He Who Shall Not Be Named
              Moderator

              • Aug 2008
              • 13901

              #3771
              Originally posted by Subculture
              I wondered what the spray gun was for, are you applying a release agent?
              Nope. It was yet another semi-successful attempt at producing a 'gel-coat' for my glass layup work; this time using micro-balloons.

              Over the decades I've tried all sorts of resin doping-thickening mediums, including silica fibers, micro-balloons, talc... everything but Kryptonite and lawn-dirt!

              But, from this same thread, the good Doctor put me onto a commercially available thickening agent that should be in tomorrow (lov'n Amazon!). We'll see if that does the trick.

              Thixotropic agent, this stuff:

              Amazon.com: Fasco Epoxies - Fasco Cab-O-SIL Fumed Silica thickener in Quart tub : Tools & Home Improvement
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              • Subculture
                Admiral

                • Feb 2009
                • 2587

                #3772
                Isn't that just a standard thixo agent? I've also used cellulose fibres for thickening resin, although it's not a smooth as colloidal silica it adds lots of strength. Also makes for a great coupling coat between a gel layer and fabric reinforcement, a tip I picked up from a video showing model aeroplane fuselage moulding.

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                • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                  Moderator

                  • Aug 2008
                  • 13901

                  #3773
                  Originally posted by Subculture
                  Isn't that just a standard thixo agent? I've also used cellulose fibres for thickening resin, although it's not a smooth as colloidal silica it adds lots of strength. Also makes for a great coupling coat between a gel layer and fabric reinforcement, a tip I picked up from a video showing model aeroplane fuselage moulding.
                  Good tips, I'll file them away, Andy.
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                  • DrSchmidt
                    Rear Admiral

                    • Apr 2014
                    • 1381

                    #3774
                    My experience:
                    Standard gel coat with a bit of color as top coat. When applied and still wet, I use a kitchen sieve to lay down a thick layer of cotton fibre, then I let the gel coat cure. After that you blow away the remaining cotton fibre and you get a turf like surface that is ideal for coupling the fibre galss layers to the top coat.

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                    • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                      Moderator

                      • Aug 2008
                      • 13901

                      #3775
                      Originally posted by DrSchmidt
                      My experience:
                      Standard gel coat with a bit of color as top coat. When applied and still wet, I use a kitchen sieve to lay down a thick layer of cotton fibre, then I let the gel coat cure. After that you blow away the remaining cotton fibre and you get a turf like surface that is ideal for coupling the fibre galss layers to the top coat.
                      Sounds like the perfect interface between gel-coat and laminates. I'll give it a shot. Thanks again, Doctor.

                      David
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                      • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                        Moderator

                        • Aug 2008
                        • 13901

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                        • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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                          • Aug 2008
                          • 13901

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                          • DrSchmidt
                            Rear Admiral

                            • Apr 2014
                            • 1381

                            #3778
                            Ah, you thride the thickening agent. Hwo did it work out for you?

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                            • trout
                              Admiral

                              • Jul 2011
                              • 3725

                              #3779
                              The Cab-o-sil was used with the gel coat and then you will lay cloth down? Trying to understand the process. Just put cloth down on a 3D printed A26, I s**k (inhale violently) at this.
                              If you can cut, drill, saw, hit things and swear a lot, you're well on the way to building a working model sub.

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                              • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                                Moderator

                                • Aug 2008
                                • 13901

                                #3780
                                Originally posted by DrSchmidt
                                Ah, you thride the thickening agent. Hwo did it work out for you?
                                Perfect, Doc. Smooth as butter when using the proper gun and nozzle size. Thank you so much for the tip.

                                David
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