Daily submarine picture

[greenman407]

Yes, thats the sail.

[Von Hilde]

Is that a dry-shelter or the side of the sail (been out of the game way, way too long)?

M

Well, If I told ya.........{you know how it goes} all kinds of lockouts, all over, on the big boats nowdays, supprised they havent figgured a way to deploy a swimmer thru the crappers. They took out sherwood forrest in some and stuck a compartment in to accommidate a football team and the band. Who knows what kind of evil lurks back there with the secret squirrils. Picture 16 hatches flippin up and a swarm of operators on armored jet skis come flyin out. Like a Bond movie

[greenman407]

Big Picture

[greenman407]

Old Fleetboat, USS Shad.

[greenman407]

Heres a different angle on a different boat.

[Von Hilde]

USS Pargo SS 264 in march 1944, by the looks of the picture. They were depth charged by a jap tin can on patrol and had to go to Mare Island for repair. Bent radar antenna is noted on the lower pic. Dont know about the marks on the shad pic but it was in at the same time Mar 6 44

[trout]

Von Hilde, I am not seeing what you are saying about a bent radar. From the notation on both pictures it is the Pargo and she is in for a refit. The lower picture is the before modifications and the upper picture is her Mod 4 look with the exposed beams.

[greenman407]

[Von Hilde]

Von Hilde, I am not seeing what you are saying about a bent radar. From the notation on both pictures it is the Pargo and she is in for a refit. The lower picture is the before modifications and the upper picture is her Mod 4 look with the exposed beams.

I researched the shad and the pargo patrol records along with the yard visits and the USN "photo index" to find out where they were march 6, and why they went to Bethlehem yard at Mare island, then went thru the patrol records and found the pargos last patrol before going to the yard. She was damaged and comsubpac sent her from pearl to SF for repair and scedualed up graded tower. The shad was for the just for the sail mod and general upgrades in equipment. Sometimes if you look up a USN atlantic boat in the uboat.net search they will have all the boats patrols and incidents listed, which is more than I can say about the various non official submarine sites.

[greenman407]

VonHilde, love your emotocon and all the good info.

[Von Hilde]

The Drum has a Mod 4A tower like the Shad the Pargo had the 3A The differance is in the "Covered Wagon" support beams on the bridge overhead by the scope housings and radar mast pargo right after the Mod 3 in 1944 new black paintjob and a year later after the war

[greenman407]

I like the unmodified sails best. They............look like a sail. Oh.......probably should refer to them as a conning tower......when, back in the day, you could actually "Con" the boat from there.

[Von Hilde]

Tambor class, built in 39. They didnt figgure they would have to crash dive of deal with airplanes to much till Jan 42. They kept the weather bridge, topside but took the roof off the closed bridge and put a anti aircraft mount, and chopped the sides off the cigarette deck aft and put another a/a mount. That got them by for awhile but the rest of that level was still a watertite compartment. with a w/t door forward to the old closed bridge, and a w/t door aft to the cigarette bridge. There were accidents during dives with the forward door being compromised. The center compartment only housed the scope masts, so they opened it completely to help flooding, as well as adding flood holes along the hull. When they tried that for awhile they had problems with the water rushig by the scopes and causing a harmonic vibration. That was solved finally by beefing up the housings with the roll bar, coverd wagon beams on the final mods. By the 60s the late war fleet boats that were still comissioned were streemlined and no guns or other crap to slow them down. They covered everything up again with the Nautilus type sails. by the 70s they were sticking all kinds of drag on with the boxes and bumps and antennas.

[greenman407]

[reddevil]

Yes, I think that after the war, and the improvements in detection techniques, the search for silence was a great challenge. We're not going to deny how "pretty" fleet boat are with all that things around there, but they all were hell noisy. And when they had to be improved by cleaning and streaming their lines to deal with a new enemy who had tools for allocating them underwater, becoming an advanced but intermediate step between submersibles and submarines, they had to erase all that things out.