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**Von Hilde** · 07-05-2013, 06:03 AM

Leelan, as you know color perception is "in the eye of the beholder" and "Shades of grey" is a chick book, but also is percieved individually, so it really is the contrast between adjoining colors that is relivant. I too, use mostly rattle can base coats. I have found quite a few different grey primers from different manufacturers that have a wide variation of hues. Textures as well with sandable and non sandable primers. My newest discovery is the matt colors from the autoparts store for bumpers and such and bedliners for the "Albright"anto sonar finish, and Krylon "pottery paint" in various colors with the fine sandy finish. I also dust finish with various colors over base coats, such as a light grey primer base with a light blue matt dust or a black or dark grey base with a Krylon cammoflage dark olive green dust for below the waterline. I always use matt, because the water base Liquitex acrylacs I use for weathering ect by airbrush or dry brush adhear to the base coat. They are easy to wipe off if you make a mistake and when its done , coat it with matt clear.

**greenman407** · 07-05-2013, 07:36 AM

Sounds like years of practical, hands on experience talking there.

**Von Hilde** · 07-06-2013, 06:32 AM

Hours of extra duty in the X division paint locker. Took forever to find out why every can of milspec haze grey didnt quite match the stuff that was already on the boat. I think I may have been directly involved in the $10,000 per hammer delima. It seams the Nay Vee got audited and the found they had spent ten grand, one year, for chipping hammers for a certain ship that shall not be named. Come ADMIN time, there was only one in the locker, and that belonged to the BMC with all the fancy ropework on the handle, and the head spray painted gold. It was on a plaque hanging on the bulkhead. Given to the Chief when he was CPO select for outstanding performance. Davey Jones took all the hammers. Only the deck apes and Neptune himself knows what actually happened to the Mk One Mod O, Hammer, comma chipping, comma, one each, went.

**He Who Shall Not Be Named** · 07-06-2013, 07:20 AM

Paint-chippers, needle-guns, and red-lead! Ah, Deck Department.

**Von Hilde** · 07-07-2013, 04:18 AM

We were doing an underwater navagation evolution in the harbor, back in the late 60s and one of the waypoints was under the Buschnell, while she was on the outer moll. The Gillmore had come to relieve her and the Bush was on the way to decom. There was a ton of stuff on the bottom. Lots of tools, mess trays, silveware, coffee cups, plates (with the little blue anchor and blue stripe) had to come from the Zero mess. A drill press,movie projector, typwriter, all kinds of good stuff. We figgured that most of the stuff was tossed because somebody didnt want to do the paperwork for DMRO or it was unauthorised inventory and un accountable. I dove there about ten years ago when the Navy gave up the property to the city. There still are some of those stainless steel mess trays down there.

**He Who Shall Not Be Named** · 07-07-2013, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by Von Hilde

We were doing an underwater navagation evolution in the harbor, back in the late 60s and one of the waypoints was under the Buschnell, while she was on the outer moll. The Gillmore had come to relieve her and the Bush was on the way to decom. There was a ton of stuff on the bottom. Lots of tools, mess trays, silveware, coffee cups, plates (with the little blue anchor and blue stripe) had to come from the Zero mess. A drill press,movie projector, typwriter, all kinds of good stuff. We figgured that most of the stuff was tossed because somebody didnt want to do the paperwork for DMRO or it was unauthorised inventory and un accountable. I dove there about ten years ago when the Navy gave up the property to the city. There still are some of those stainless steel mess trays down there.

My God! Small world, I was on the GILLMORE then, working in the steam-shop doing MK-14 after-body overhaul. Likely you were working out of the UDT school there at that time?

It was while at Key West I cross-decked to the TRUTTA. Key West City officials were complete idiots!

M

**Von Hilde** · 07-08-2013, 04:13 AM

city officials haven changed, but most arn't Conchs any more.ever go here? we were just down the street around the cornerhad to cross a few decks to get to the Truttboat from the tender once myself

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**He Who Shall Not Be Named** · 07-08-2013, 06:46 AM

The UDT school was close to our barracks.

A few years after the base closed down, while on leave from the WEBSTER, I traveled to Key West for a few weeks. While there I broke into the property and roamed some of the buildings. Only time I was in the UDT school -- the floors were caving in, but I did note a rather deep, square, concrete 'tank' on the ground floor. No training-aids or anything neat, the place had been stripped. Same with my former barracks. Depressing. Stupid peacenics!

Down by the old coastal fort, in a deep casement, I found what appeared to be a MK-27 torpedo -- likely a training aid from the Annex. Just sitting there!

**Von Hilde** · 07-08-2013, 02:44 PM

That Mk-27 is out at the Stock Island American Legeon parking lot by the golf course, along with a 3"-50 single mount, a turrett from the Maine and a 5" gun and turrett from a WWII DE or PC, and a couple inert mines. Kind of a mini museum outdoor display. Stuff is periodiclly painted but nobody is doing any corrosion control.

**He Who Shall Not Be Named** · 07-08-2013, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Von Hilde

That Mk-27 is out at the Stock Island American Legeon parking lot by the golf course, along with a 3"-50 single mount, a turrett from the Maine and a 5" gun and turrett from a WWII DE or PC, and a couple inert mines. Kind of a mini museum outdoor display. Stuff is periodiclly painted but nobody is doing any corrosion control.

Wow! One of America's first production acoustic weapons, out in the open. Better than a land-fill I guess. Man! You have been around!

**Von Hilde** · 07-09-2013, 03:10 AM

That "Cutie" is a Mod O with the wood furniture. The guy at the Leageon hall was trying to tell me it was a short Japanese aircraft torpedo from pearl. His info got a bit twisted. The reason being, they got the torpedo from the Key West Lighthouse museum and it had been sitting next to the H19 Ko Hyoteki at the lighthouse along with several other Naval relics that had been aquired from the base when it closed. The city gave up the sub and all the artifacts when they renovated the lighthouse museum. The boat went to Texas to the WWII museum. Most of the big stuff that was outside was given to the Leageon and VFW. I wouldnt mind liberating the little bronze plaque with all the milspec info, off the fish. Its been painted over but its still stamped and legible. Being a veterin I should be able to rescue it from its impending doom. If you get my drift.

**He Who Shall Not Be Named** · 07-09-2013, 04:35 AM

Nite Op. Go get 'em!

Seems like Key West is now the exclusive domain of queer's, shrimper's and the occasional Cuban inner-tube rider. Oh, well. Sign of the times.

M

**Von Hilde** · 07-09-2013, 07:43 AM

Shrimpers are almost all gone. Dockage takin over by Yachts. The old inner tube has gone hi tech. Its cars and busses with flotation for the poor people. The rich ones come by speedboat or as first class passengers with papers, on the jet. The queers are the ones that own all the real estate and business now. Im getting ready to toss an oar over my shoulder and head for the Catskills. When I get up around Overlook mountain and someone asks me what the hell is that thing on my shoulder. Ill stick it in the ground and put my mailbox on it.

**He Who Shall Not Be Named** · 07-09-2013, 08:03 AM

All we have now of the place are memories. Most of 'em good. Oh, well.

Hope and Change. Well ... we got the change part, that's for sure. Hope he chokes.

M