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  • He Who Shall Not Be Named
    Moderator
    • Aug 2008
    • 12320

    Originally posted by Roddersuk
    Why would a nuke boomer require armour plating? they aint going to be trading shells with other types are they? Plus, they aint not got any gun!! Also, armour of that scale would dramatically increase the boats up top weight and make them very unstable, methinks.
    Thanks to Andy's sleuthing work we now have an answer about that 'armor' we see on the sides of the VANGUARD. It is indeed a retrofitted sonar array. Not ARMOR. My God, why don't they raise the M-1 and give that concept another go, why don't they!?....

    M
    Who is John Galt?

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    • greenman407
      Admiral
      • Feb 2009
      • 7530

      Im just amazed at the M1. You would think that the weight of that big gun up top would immediately capsize that sub. Must have a deep keel with a lot of weight in it.
      IT TAKES GREAT INTELLIGENCE TO FAKE SUCH STUPIDITY!

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      • Von Hilde
        Rear Admiral
        • Oct 2011
        • 1245

        Originally posted by greenman407
        Im just amazed at the M1. You would think that the weight of that big gun up top would immediately capsize that sub. Must have a deep keel with a lot of weight in it.
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        • greenman407
          Admiral
          • Feb 2009
          • 7530

          With the gun way up there it just seems like it would roll over any second. Especially in heavy seas
          IT TAKES GREAT INTELLIGENCE TO FAKE SUCH STUPIDITY!

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          • Albion
            Captain
            • Dec 2008
            • 651

            Originally posted by greenman407
            With the gun way up there it just seems like it would roll over any second. Especially in heavy seas
            The big sail and superstructure is causing me enough grief at 1/72.
            Next time someone points out it takes 42 muscles to frown, point out it will only take 4 muscles to b1tch slap them if they tell you how mnay muscles you need to smile:pop

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            • Peter W
              Captain
              • May 2011
              • 509

              To compliment Mark's pictures of the Yasen here is one with the bow planes out.


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              Peter

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              • Peter W
                Captain
                • May 2011
                • 509

                Ok a week or so ago I asked the question about favourite boats. Here is my top 5


                1. Oscar II - The Russians build their nukes how I always imagined subs should be built Big, wide, with slick blended sails, with pod things on the rudders.

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                2. Akula - See above

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                3. Vanguard Class - everything about the waterline shape of this boat is stunning, The sail, the missile hump and of course those bow planes.

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                4. Typhoon class - Just so big also I was but a nipper when the film for Red October came out.



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                5. Resolution Class - When I first got into subs, I don't know....just something about them.



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                And that is it my Top 5, 1 x SSGN, 1 x SSN and 3 X SSBN If I had to pick my favourite SSK it would be the Oberon class with the Foxtrot 2nd. I also like to point out that due to his build of the 212, Manfred has really interested me with that class.

                Lastly a special mention goes to this Picture,

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                This picture was in the 1st sub book I ever bought, Jonathan Crane's 'Submarine' seeing this .... I was hooked.

                Peter
                Last edited by Peter W; 02-01-2015, 06:55 AM. Reason: I am an idiot

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                • Von Hilde
                  Rear Admiral
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 1245

                  Originally posted by greenman407
                  With the gun way up there it just seems like it would roll over any second. Especially in heavy seas
                  The gun is awsome. 305mm Armstrong Whitworth Railway gun. Adapted for the RN on big dreadnauts and even the early IJN battleships. Japan had purchaced 80 of them in the 20s. The gun itself, weighed 50 tons. The projectile was a whopping 850 pounds. It took a few guys to muscle one out of the storage rack and into the breach loader, Im sure. That recoil must have kicked like an Alabama muel. Noise in the turret? Not after the first round, like sticking your ear in a garbage can with a lit M-80. Internal hemmoraging of organs and the ringing in the ears. And then the gun bunney opens the breach and the cordite comes out in the blast of fresh air rushing down the barrel. That has to peg the fun meter, for an afternoon in fair weather. The boat displaced 1500 tons on the surface, and the gun was 50tons and above the waterline. The barrel was 40 ft long but only could traverse 150 deg. So a 90 deg, broadside wasnt possible, otherwise It would tip the boat over. Just think, if you put some lead weight that was 30% of the model boat up in the tower and ran it Balls up in a turn you could tip the hull and loose the bubble out the bottom of the balast. "Now look what you done, Lucy"
                  Last edited by Von Hilde; 02-01-2015, 08:08 AM.

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                  • trout
                    Admiral
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 3547

                    My top five are:
                    1. Gato/Balao

                    2. Type VII

                    3. Typhoon (thanks to Hunt for Red October)

                    4. Nautilus - Disney

                    5. This is a tough slot to fill. There are several subs from WWII and couple of modern subs. Forcing myself to pick it is the Israeli Dolphin.
                    If you can cut, drill, saw, hit things and swear a lot, you're well on the way to building a working model sub.

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                    • reddevil
                      Commander
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 346

                      Mine are:
                      1. Das boot: VII C.
                      2. Seaview.
                      3. Typhoon.
                      4. AKULA II.
                      5. Seawolf.

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                      • Roddersuk
                        Lieutenant
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 56

                        My top 5 are; 4 RN and 1 USN
                        1 Vanguard Class
                        2 O Class
                        3 A Class
                        4 T Class
                        5 Gato/Balao

                        I am a fairly partisan sort of chap, as some may discerne.

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                        • modelnut
                          Lieutenant Commander
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 140

                          I just saw this chart of the Russian navy's submarine fleet: http://www.image.kg/images/2014/09/11/Agop.jpg

                          Here is a bigger chart but it is Spanish: https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad...cb7d776914.jpg

                          - Leelan
                          Last edited by modelnut; 02-06-2015, 04:53 PM. Reason: Spelling error

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                          • greenman407
                            Admiral
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 7530

                            Notice all the sensors sticking out of this Golf.
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                            IT TAKES GREAT INTELLIGENCE TO FAKE SUCH STUPIDITY!

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                            • Kazzer
                              *********
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 2848

                              What are these?

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                              Stop messing about - just get a Sub-driver!

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                              • Peter W
                                Captain
                                • May 2011
                                • 509

                                If that is Devonport then they look like Trafalgar or Swiftsure class. If it is Devonport. Looks like a type 23 frigate.

                                Peter

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