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  • toppack
    Rear Admiral
    • Nov 2008
    • 1124

    #181
    Yes, We will see.
    I'll try fo find those videos of working torpedos again.
    Rick L.
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    • Slats
      Vice Admiral
      • Aug 2008
      • 1776

      #182
      Rick what subs are you running?
      J
      John Slater

      Sydney Australia

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      • toppack
        Rear Admiral
        • Nov 2008
        • 1124

        #183
        The Revell Gato is the one I've completed.
        I also have Revell U-boat and the fiberglass T-class in the works.
        Most of my RC ship model building experience is with surface ships, 17 operational, and I'm really enjoying learning about subs. :)
        Rick L.
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        • Slats
          Vice Admiral
          • Aug 2008
          • 1776

          #184
          well I am sure David will confirm it, but his system I think should fit the Revell Gato.

          J
          John Slater

          Sydney Australia

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          • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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            • Aug 2008
            • 13476

            #185
            Originally posted by toppack
            I really appreciate the suggestions, But I've seen battery powered, single-prop, torpedos that work and operate the way I want mine to. So I know it can be done.
            Now wheather I'll be able to construct them with one good hand is another concern but i want to try for several reasons. The biggest ones being that I like to create my own designs and fabricate them and the other being that I know I'll not be able to afford David's creation, since he's going to be very proud of it, and rightfully so. :D LOL
            Thanks,
            Substitute the battery with an electrolytic capacitor and you're home free.

            David,
            Who is John Galt?

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            • Slats
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              • Aug 2008
              • 1776

              #186
              Originally posted by Merriman
              Substitute the battery with an electrolytic capacitor and you're home free.

              David,
              God he's good. :)
              By doing so - you can not worry about a kill switch as the full discharge can be dumped into the motor - so the torp just stops when its out of fuel. Just need to figure out which electrolytic cap would suit the motor and desired torque for best effect.

              The weight issue - gone too.

              You just need to:
              -counter the torque roll
              -build a release mechanism (you could use a reed switch thats NO and trigger switch / circuit closure and motor start via rare earth magnet on a push rod that comes along side the torpedo near the reed switch).
              -work on a charging mechanism

              David is there nothing you don't know.:D


              J
              John Slater

              Sydney Australia

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              • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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                • Aug 2008
                • 13476

                #187
                I know that I better give credit where credit is due: Dan Kachur, out of Canada, one of the best builders and operators in this game today. He's done effects work for the Canadian film industry (X-files is one credit he has).

                He perfected the electrolytic torpedo years ago and they have all the attributes you observed, John.

                He sent me a video of his torpedoes -- fantastic work!

                David,
                Who is John Galt?

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                • Slats
                  Vice Admiral
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 1776

                  #188
                  Have just seen in the mall here an application that might be worth studying Rick
                  Those tiny IR helicopters run on these caps.

                  The IR TX doubles as a charge station for the helicopter
                  The helicpoters feature tiny motors (similar to what you have posted)
                  The helicopters have counter rotating blades....

                  So there is the ingredients of what I would study to take the electric warshot further.

                  Now David how about those pain in the butt questions mate?

                  J
                  John Slater

                  Sydney Australia

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                  • Subculture
                    Admiral

                    • Feb 2009
                    • 2435

                    #189
                    I think you'll find the little helicopters use small single cell li-po's- the ones I have do.

                    You can use an ultra capacitor for power, these are more widespread now, and under constant development- they're looking to fit them to electric cars.

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                    • Slats
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                      • Aug 2008
                      • 1776

                      #190
                      Originally posted by Subculture
                      I think you'll find the little helicopters use small single cell li-po's- the ones I have do.

                      You can use an ultra capacitor for power, these are more widespread now, and under constant development- they're looking to fit them to electric cars.
                      Andy,
                      thanks for this.......any ideas for what cap would be useful for a scale warshot or around say 1/72?

                      I'm still going gas with David - but I'd still like to know.

                      J
                      John Slater

                      Sydney Australia

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                      • Subculture
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                        • Feb 2009
                        • 2435

                        #191
                        You have something like this-



                        However, they would only suit larger scale torpedos.

                        There are some truly tiny Li-pos available nowadays with impressive amounts of charge, and I would look at those. I reckon you could get down to 1/72nd scale with an electric torpedo, 1/96 scale would be difficult.

                        You could switch them on and off using reed switches and an electro magnet via a small microcontroller feeding a MOSFET to the little motor. the same microcontroller can be programmed to feed the motor for a specified time (say 5 seconds).

                        This stuff is so small it could all be mounted inside the torpedo. The electromagnet would be mounted inside the submarine and switched via a spare channel.

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                        • toppack
                          Rear Admiral
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 1124

                          #192
                          Yes, I experimented with capacitor powered torpedo motors. This was discussed before in this thread, I think.
                          I found that they would have an even shorter propulsion range than gas does.
                          Not what I want!
                          Rick L.
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                          • Subculture
                            Admiral

                            • Feb 2009
                            • 2435

                            #193
                            What amount of capacitance were you running, and what were the size of the torpedos and motors powering them?

                            For a small torpedo you should be able to get at least 30 seconds of running (how much range do you want!).

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                            • toppack
                              Rear Admiral
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 1124

                              #194
                              As stated earlier in this thread, I want to be able to launch from middle of pond to shore, at least several times before having to recharge Anything. :) A 3A battery, on these motors, should be able to do that and then some. I don't want to have to retrieve any from middle of pond. I want them to land at my feet, ready to go again. :)
                              As stated earlier in this thread, I'm making a tray with built in deactivation magnets in it, to turn off motors as they are retrieved on shore, to be ready to reload.
                              Last edited by toppack; 03-05-2009, 01:05 PM.
                              Rick L.
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                              • Subculture
                                Admiral

                                • Feb 2009
                                • 2435

                                #195
                                Yes, okay, but my response was chiefly directed towards John's request for a system small enough for a 1/72 fish.

                                Here's another link to some suitable caps http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20...Z%20Series.pdf

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