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  • #16
    Historically speaking, people are quick to point out the problems, but few are willing to allocate the time and energy into creating solutions.

    I call it little Red Hen syndrome. I'm sure many are familiar with that little tale- who will help me sow the wheat, harvest and mill it, make the bread, bake it- no one. Who will help me eat the bread- everyone.

    So a few things that will help in my opinion. I write as an ex-member, so you can take or disregard what I write without any bias.

    1. Current membership list. I don't recall one being published in over a decade. Also helpful to know the skill set of members, and whether they'd be willing to offer their time in areas of expertise, either to help fellow members or the group as a whole. That will require members to complete some sort of form/questionnaire. Some may wish to do this, others won't. Carrot- perhaps offer a prize draw for those submitting a fully completed questionnaire, and call the draw once a certain number of members have joined. This would place a small cost on the group, but may improve engagement.

    2. A good look at the finances to see how resources can be allocated to improve the appeal of the group to current, past and prospective members. A group needs a bit of cash in reserve, but I don't think it needs $20k plus when things are where they are.

    3. Complete rebuild needed of the main website, which looks dull, like you're selling office furniture or something. and not much content. Forum needs to be fully open as exclusivity hasn't worked IMO, and the sections reduced to a bare minimum as many rarely if ever get posted to, and the whole page looks fragmented. Chapter, members only and vendor sections should be merged in with other sections, and every effort made to reduce the bloat in other sections. Think back to the early days of the forum, when there were half a dozen or so sections, all very active.

    4. Try and secure vendor discounts for members.

    5. If 3d printing is going to help the hobby grow consider creating a simple design that can be printed on an entry level machine e.g. Ender 3, that enables newcomers to get into the water without too much fuss. Something like the X1 sub would be a good candidate, a scale look but excellent shape with large control surfaces, no fussy details and will work well as a dynamic diver.

    6. Publish forward looking statements. What the goals are. Anyone who has tried to get anything done will appreciate some of the goals will fall short- I'd say if you can achieve fifty percent of your aims you'd be doing well- but a plan of action is needed if anything is to be done at all.

    Finally, you'll be very lucky indeed if you don't make some enemies along the way. It'll only take one or two people to make life difficult, as it takes less effort to foul things up than to put things right. Individuals can get spiteful and unpleasant in ways they wouldn't in their workplace for fear of losing their livelihood. Most will see reason and compromise, but some won't, and they're the tricky ones to handle.

    DIVE IN! Go on, go on, go on, go on, GO ON! http://www.diveintomodelsubmarines.co.uk

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    • #17
      Andy,


      You're firing on all cylinders there, sir. What you've highlighted are all issues that we've identified and would like to work toward in the New Year.

      One of the first orders of business will be to create a prioritized list of opportunities, assign timelines and personnel, and bring visibility to the membership. This will drive accountability as well.

      I also concur with your statement about enemies. Progress is the nemesis of the status quo, and the status quo has been the organizational mantra for a very very long time. This tells me that most people are very happy with it. We will be shaking up that particular tree, and there are many that are not going to be happy about it (I mean, hey... who likes their coffee spilled in the morning, right!?). Unfortunately, they're going to need to A) fight the process and be grumpy until we're ousted, B) jump in and support us in our efforts, or C) go find another sandbox to play in.


      Bob

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Subculture View Post
        Historically speaking, people are quick to point out the problems, but few are willing to allocate the time and energy into creating solutions.

        I call it little Red Hen syndrome. I'm sure many are familiar with that little tale- who will help me sow the wheat, harvest and mill it, make the bread, bake it- no one. Who will help me eat the bread- everyone.

        So a few things that will help in my opinion. I write as an ex-member, so you can take or disregard what I write without any bias.

        1. Current membership list. I don't recall one being published in over a decade. Also helpful to know the skill set of members, and whether they'd be willing to offer their time in areas of expertise, either to help fellow members or the group as a whole. That will require members to complete some sort of form/questionnaire. Some may wish to do this, others won't. Carrot- perhaps offer a prize draw for those submitting a fully completed questionnaire, and call the draw once a certain number of members have joined. This would place a small cost on the group, but may improve engagement.

        2. A good look at the finances to see how resources can be allocated to improve the appeal of the group to current, past and prospective members. A group needs a bit of cash in reserve, but I don't think it needs $20k plus when things are where they are.

        3. Complete rebuild needed of the main website, which looks dull, like you're selling office furniture or something. and not much content. Forum needs to be fully open as exclusivity hasn't worked IMO, and the sections reduced to a bare minimum as many rarely if ever get posted to, and the whole page looks fragmented. Chapter, members only and vendor sections should be merged in with other sections, and every effort made to reduce the bloat in other sections. Think back to the early days of the forum, when there were half a dozen or so sections, all very active.

        4. Try and secure vendor discounts for members.

        5. If 3d printing is going to help the hobby grow consider creating a simple design that can be printed on an entry level machine e.g. Ender 3, that enables newcomers to get into the water without too much fuss. Something like the X1 sub would be a good candidate, a scale look but excellent shape with large control surfaces, no fussy details and will work well as a dynamic diver.

        6. Publish forward looking statements. What the goals are. Anyone who has tried to get anything done will appreciate some of the goals will fall short- I'd say if you can achieve fifty percent of your aims you'd be doing well- but a plan of action is needed if anything is to be done at all.

        Finally, you'll be very lucky indeed if you don't make some enemies along the way. It'll only take one or two people to make life difficult, as it takes less effort to foul things up than to put things right. Individuals can get spiteful and unpleasant in ways they wouldn't in their workplace for fear of losing their livelihood. Most will see reason and compromise, but some won't, and they're the tricky ones to handle.
        Wait until you see the hit list Bob, Tom and I put together...

        You but scratched the surface.

        Our goal, and forgive me if I speak out of turn Bob....and please correct.

        Is to bring back the SubCommittee as the PREMIER forum for ALL things related to the subject matter. For ALL Submarine Enthusiast's as it once was, not just RC. We also fill it with subject matter experts who may NOT be interested in RC. The place for research to use in conjunction with...

        The Nautilus Drydocks, the premier site for RC Submarine enthusiasts.

        BOTH can and should exist together in HARMONY working towards each skill skill set.

        As a Sub Simulation gamer, pin collector, static modeler, and to gain general research, I pay $$ for advanced access to the SC.

        As an RC enthusiast's, I come here for the latest how-to's, gear, tips and ideas.

        Am I wrong?
        v/r "Sub" Ed

        Silent Service "Cold War" Veteran (The good years!)
        NEVER underestimate the power of a Sailor who served aboard a submarine.
        USS ULYSSES S GRANT-USS SHARK-USS NAUTILUS-USS KEY WEST-USS BLUEBACK-USS PATRICK HENRY-K432-U25-SSRN SEAVIEW-PROTEUS-NAUTILUS

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        • #19
          Bob, Ed, and I want to see big changes, but we do not want to do this alone. We need your participation. We will be transparent, aggressive, and open to your ideas. Andy, you have brought up great points and I think you will see that happening in the coming years.

          An organization can die from a major blow, but it can also bleed to death by a thousand pin pricks. SC has made mistakes, but that is the past. We have slowly and many times behind the scenes tried to patch the areas that were bleeding us to death. A lot of progress has happened, but we are going to move faster and more decisively.



          If you can cut, drill, saw, hit things and swear a lot, you're well on the way to building a working model sub.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SubHuman View Post

            Done! The software is pretty picky lately for some reason.

            Bob
            Thank you Bob. Think it was after I added a reason for editing ?

            Peter

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            • #21

              A man walks into an office. Man: Good morning, I'd like to have an argument, please. Receptionist: Certainly, sir. Have you been here before? Man: No, this is my first time. Receptionist: I see, well we'll see who's free at the moment. Mr. Bakely's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory. No. Try Mr. Barnhart, room 12. Man: Thank you. He enters room 12. Angry man: WHADDAYOU WANT? Man: Well, Well, I was told outside that... Angry man: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS! Man: What? A: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS STUFFY-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!! M: Yes, but I came here for an argument!! A: OH! Oh! I'm sorry! This is abuse! M: Oh! Oh I see! A: Aha! No, you want room 12A, next door. M: Oh...Sorry... A: Not at all

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              • #22
                sorry no soggy toast intended If I was misunderstood.

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                • #23
                  I love Monty Python!!

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                  • #24
                    If you're hoping to get things back to the way they were say twenty years ago, when the SC had around thousand members, I would temper expectations.

                    It's a very different world today, and the younger generations have different ways of consuming media. For starters they chiefly use mobiles rather than computers- that means small screens, and most websites and forums don't work well on mobile platforms, they're too finicky. Compare that with Facebook, which has its own app, and is arguably easier to use on a mobile than a desktop or laptop.

                    From my own perspective, I've always believed that in this hobby, if you can get a dozen or more talented and motivated people working harmoniously as a team towards a common set of goals, there isn't much that is out of reach. However it's quite difficult to achieve that in practice and keep it stable over the time you need to reach the objectives.
                    DIVE IN! Go on, go on, go on, go on, GO ON! http://www.diveintomodelsubmarines.co.uk

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                    • #25
                      My youngest son driving my Nautilus at Subfest...

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                      and then skipper of his first sub. The Thunder Tiger Neptune he won. A fantastic underrated RTR sub.

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                      It is because of a 3D printed Redoutable that we are involved with RC subs. I love my 3D printed hulls. They keep getting better as I try different materials and finishing methods. In addition to the Redoutable I also have a 1/72 LA and a 1/7th Hunley as well as parts of my 1/76th Ohio that are printed and I look forward to many more. My GRP boats are special and they have their place in my growing fleet but I prefer to push the envelopes of 3D. Each medium has it's strengths and weaknesses. I am currently printing with ASA on an Ender 3 Pro and getting such good results that I will likely not be going back to PLA+ any time soon. I have not been involved with the SC to date but look forward to what 2021 will bring under the guidance of Bob, Ed and Tom. They have my full support.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RCJetDude View Post
                        I am currently printing with ASA on an Ender 3 Pro and getting such good results that I will likely not be going back to PLA+ any time soon. I have not been involved with the SC to date but look forward to what 2021 will bring under the guidance of Bob, Ed and Tom. They have my full support.
                        Do you print in an enclosure for ASA?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by coryhenry View Post

                          Do you print in an enclosure for ASA?
                          Yes. Running at 40C. Also using a glass build surface with Magigoo instead of the stock magnetic one. I usually use a good sized brim on the base of the part. Warping is minimal if any. Once finished and cooled, the part separates easily from the bed. My Hunley is printed completely with it.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Rick Teskey View Post
                            A man walks into an office. Man: Good morning, I'd like to have an argument, please. Receptionist: Certainly, sir. Have you been here before? Man: No, this is my first time. Receptionist: I see, well we'll see who's free at the moment. Mr. Bakely's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory. No. Try Mr. Barnhart, room 12. Man: Thank you. He enters room 12. Angry man: WHADDAYOU WANT? Man: Well, Well, I was told outside that... Angry man: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS! Man: What? A: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS STUFFY-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!! M: Yes, but I came here for an argument!! A: OH! Oh! I'm sorry! This is abuse! M: Oh! Oh I see! A: Aha! No, you want room 12A, next door. M: Oh...Sorry... A: Not at all
                            Rick done got into Grampa's "Glaucoma" brownies....again.
                            v/r "Sub" Ed

                            Silent Service "Cold War" Veteran (The good years!)
                            NEVER underestimate the power of a Sailor who served aboard a submarine.
                            USS ULYSSES S GRANT-USS SHARK-USS NAUTILUS-USS KEY WEST-USS BLUEBACK-USS PATRICK HENRY-K432-U25-SSRN SEAVIEW-PROTEUS-NAUTILUS

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RCJetDude View Post
                              Each medium has it's strengths and weaknesses.
                              That is the FINEST piece of advice I've seen yet. It applies to ALL facets of this hobby and EVERYTING it touches.

                              There is NO one way.

                              There is NO silver bullet.

                              The solution only fits the application.
                              v/r "Sub" Ed

                              Silent Service "Cold War" Veteran (The good years!)
                              NEVER underestimate the power of a Sailor who served aboard a submarine.
                              USS ULYSSES S GRANT-USS SHARK-USS NAUTILUS-USS KEY WEST-USS BLUEBACK-USS PATRICK HENRY-K432-U25-SSRN SEAVIEW-PROTEUS-NAUTILUS

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