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  • toppack
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    • Nov 2008
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    #16
    Does Caswell stock Raboesch Propellers for the T-class yet?
    If not, what type and diameter props does it require?
    I assume they should be 4-blade, correct?
    Last edited by toppack; 12-26-2008, 06:46 PM.
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    • Kazzer
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      • Aug 2008
      • 2848

      #17
      I think I have a couple of props somewhere:)

      I do need to check on the size, but I think they are 1" diamete, according to Lambert plans. They are three bladed. I'll ask on a the Barrow forum to see if someone can give us a more precise answer.
      Stop messing about - just get a Sub-driver!

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      • toppack
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        • Nov 2008
        • 1124

        #18
        1" props sounds finda small for 1/48th scale, but I guess that could be correct?
        3 bladed will be easier to find.
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        • toppack
          Rear Admiral
          • Nov 2008
          • 1124

          #19
          I just found a nice set (L & R) of Raboesch props in 2" diameter, in my goody-box.
          I hope they will work?
          Rick L.
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          • Kazzer
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            • Aug 2008
            • 2848

            #20
            Originally posted by toppack
            I just found a nice set (L & R) of Raboesch props in 2" diameter, in my goody-box.
            I hope they will work?
            Nope! No good! Far too big. 1" 3 blades - that what you need!
            Stop messing about - just get a Sub-driver!

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            • toppack
              Rear Admiral
              • Nov 2008
              • 1124

              #21
              Originally posted by mcaswell
              Nope! No good! Far too big. 1" 3 blades - that what you need!
              Okay...... I guess putting them on the belt-sander would be Wrong. :o

              Mike, did you get the PM I sent?
              Rick L.
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              • toppack
                Rear Admiral
                • Nov 2008
                • 1124

                #22
                I found and purchased a Great reference Book on the T-class.
                It's 'The T-class Submarine' by Paul J. Kemp.
                It has many good pictures and very Interesting Information.

                I noticed many things about them that I didn't realize before. One is that they (at least most of them) had large fixed horizontal fins mounted above the aft dive-planes. I would definitely want to add these, to help protect the DPs and props.

                I also saw other errors in the design of the 1/48th hull kit.
                Some of these will be major modifictions to the model. Such as the shape of the flank-mounted torpedo-tubes, which should be round at opening, not triangle shaped. :(
                See first Pic:
                Also the lower bow torpedo-tubes appear to be smaller than the others. That can't be correct? I think all the tube openings will need to be cut out and reworked to get them looking correct?
                See second Pic:
                This is turning into a much bigger project than I expected!
                I'll not only have to fabricate a great deal of the parts but I'll also need to correct much that has been done already. :(
                Sorry, Mike, but I calls 'em Like I sees 'em.
                If I'm wrong, please let me know, I am Only looking at pictures, that may not be true representations?
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                Last edited by toppack; 12-27-2008, 10:28 PM.
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                • Kazzer
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                  • Aug 2008
                  • 2848

                  #23
                  Originally posted by toppack
                  Okay...... I guess putting them on the belt-sander would be Wrong. :o

                  Mike, did you get the PM I sent?
                  Yes! Do you want a smackyhead?:eek:

                  No!
                  Stop messing about - just get a Sub-driver!

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                  • Kazzer
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                    • Aug 2008
                    • 2848

                    #24
                    Originally posted by toppack
                    I found and purchased a Great reference Book on the T-class.
                    It's 'The T-class Submarine' by Paul J. Kemp.
                    It has many good pictures and very Interesting Information.
                    I have MANY more pictures.

                    Originally posted by toppack
                    I noticed many things about them that I didn't realize before. One is that they (at least most of them) had large fixed horizontal fins mounted above the aft dive-planes. I would definitely want to add these, to help protect the DPs and props.
                    I also saw other errors in the design of the 1/48th hull kit.
                    Actually, there are few errors with this model. I would say that its a pretty good representation of the boat. You have to realise that the T class was rife with modifications. If you follow the life of some of these boats, you'll see that they morphed into different things as they went through their life. In the latter stages of the war, many Ts were turned into 'Slippery T's which stripped them of guns and many surface holes in an effort to quieten them.
                    See the two photos of Trump - note the sonar on the bow, and all guns missing.

                    Originally posted by toppack
                    Some of these will be major modifictions to the model. Such as the shape of the flank-mounted torpedo-tubes, which should be round at opening, not triangle shaped. :(
                    The tubes are round, and just need cutting out.

                    Originally posted by toppack
                    See first Pic:
                    Also the lower bow torpedo-tubes appear to be smaller than the others. That can't be correct? I think all the tube openings will need to be cut out and reworked to get them looking correct?
                    No, its not correct. The openings are round and are the same size.

                    Originally posted by toppack
                    See second Pic:
                    This is turning into a much bigger project than I expected!
                    I'll not only have to fabricate a great deal of the parts but I'll also need to correct much that has been done already. :(
                    That depends on what you decide to do. There are no guns or internals for the conning tower with the kit. The forward dive planes are molded and I don't like them, because they were made of flat sheet metal, not profiled. I made mine from brass sheet. The plane guards are made from the same. Probably better to cut them from aluminum as you will need to reduce above waterline weight. The rear planes are supplied, as is the rudder.

                    Conning towers change with the wind, but if you go with a Slippery design, this should be easy to carve out from some foam, then fiberglass.

                    I'll set up a slideshow of all the photos I have, and sort out the plans.
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                    Stop messing about - just get a Sub-driver!

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                    • toppack
                      Rear Admiral
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 1124

                      #25
                      Mike, You made me feel much better about this project. :)
                      Thanks for the Info,
                      Rick L.
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                      Since Learning is Always a 'Good Thing' *

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                      • toppack
                        Rear Admiral
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 1124

                        #26
                        That hull configuration is already similar to the boat I've desided to model, the 'Tally-Ho', with 8 forward and 3 aft tubes, (mid war config), so not much of a problem there.
                        See Pic:
                        Yes, I agree, Aluminum is the way to go, with fabing DPs and fins, and I have plenty in stock just waiting to be transformed. :)
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                        Last edited by toppack; 12-28-2008, 04:54 PM.
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                        • toppack
                          Rear Admiral
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 1124

                          #27
                          Anyone know what color the deck and tower, of the Tally-ho, were painted? I doubt there were ever any color pictures of any of the T-class Subs. I have not found anything about what colors were used. I assume it was primarily a Dark Gray?
                          But they could have been Blue, or even Red 'for all I Know'. :D
                          The Tally-ho appears to be a much darker color than some of the T-class, but not black.
                          The lower hull does appear to be black, tho.
                          Last edited by toppack; 12-28-2008, 10:20 PM.
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                          • Kazzer
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                            • Aug 2008
                            • 2848

                            #28
                            Propellers!

                            5 feet 4 inches diameter!!!! It's official from Blighty.

                            So your props for the T class at 1:48 scale = 1.3" diameter
                            Stop messing about - just get a Sub-driver!

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                            • toppack
                              Rear Admiral
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 1124

                              #29
                              Originally posted by mcaswell
                              Propellers!

                              5 feet 4 inches diameter!!!! It's official from Blighty.

                              So your props for the T class at 1:48 scale = 1.3" diameter
                              Okay, Great, Thanks
                              I guess 1.5" would be best available size to use.
                              I'll wait until I start working on the shaft assemblies to determine that, tho.

                              Hey, I might even be able to squeeze in my 2 inchers. :D LOL :D (Hot-rod Model-T) :D

                              Not really, that would be Wrong. :p
                              Last edited by toppack; 12-29-2008, 11:37 AM.
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                              • toppack
                                Rear Admiral
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 1124

                                #30
                                Mike,
                                Have you Seen the Drawings, that we will be ordering for the T-class, or is this more of a 'Shot in the Dark', as to whether they have the detail Info I'll need?
                                I suppose that source is the 'Only game in town' tho, correct?
                                Are there other options, if 'No Joy' with that one?
                                Last edited by toppack; 12-31-2008, 11:27 AM.
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