Can a centrifugal pump evacuate a closed tank?

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  • roedj
    Captain
    • Sep 2008
    • 563

    #16
    Originally posted by He Who Shall Not Be Named
    Other than these are one-way pumps, no problem using it (them) this way. Use either two pumps or employ a re-direction valve to select direction of flow between forward and after trim tanks. Run a vent balancing line between the tanks so you don't get any air compression/vacuum issues within the tanks as they fill/empty.

    Do'able. But .... why? Another Plumber's nightmare.

    M
    DM,

    As usual, you're right. It would be a plumber's nightmare.

    Bad idea.

    Dan
    Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

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    • He Who Shall Not Be Named
      Moderator
      • Aug 2008
      • 12333

      #17
      Originally posted by roedj
      DM,

      As usual, you're right. It would be a plumber's nightmare.

      Bad idea.

      Dan
      You people!

      M
      Who is John Galt?

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      • Slats
        Vice Admiral
        • Aug 2008
        • 1776

        #18
        Originally posted by He Who Shall Not Be Named
        You people!

        M
        Indeed - there is pushing the envelope of what has been proven to work = innovation.
        Then there is rehashing the firmness of the earth = re-examining the virtues of Rube Goldberg.
        John Slater

        Sydney Australia

        You would not steal a wallet so don't steal people's livelihood.
        Think of that before your buy "cheap" pirated goods or download others work protected by copyright. Theft is theft.



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        • redboat219
          Admiral
          • Dec 2008
          • 2759

          #19
          PIPE-FLO is the engineering standard for pipe flow software. Learn how we provide industry-leading functionality without spreadsheets.

          From what I've read so far. The pump would stop pumping and get vapor locked or cavitate when operated against a closed head.
          Last edited by redboat219; 04-08-2014, 02:54 AM.
          Make it simple, make strong, make it work!

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          • Subculture
            Admiral
            • Feb 2009
            • 2122

            #20
            For precision of trimming it's really impossible to beat a piston tank. If you look at Romel's earlier link that shows a boat which incorporated a small servo actuated piston trim tank slotted within the main ballast tank, so not essential to go down the path of having a large piston tank for main ballast and trim.

            Generally a trim tank should be sized to equal about 1% of the boats overall displacement, plus a few grams if you want to make the boat go negative. Water only varies in density by 1% depending on temperature and mineral content. Most model submarine ballast systems tend to equate to about 10-15% of the boats overall displacement, so 10-15% of that tank gives you about the right size tank, but be careful if you are dealign with something with large freeboard, else you end up with a larger trim tank than you really require.

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            • redboat219
              Admiral
              • Dec 2008
              • 2759

              #21
              Windshield washer pump/closed tank ballast system

              A nice build of Revell's 1/72 Type VII utilizing a windshield washer pump/ closed tank equipped with a pinch valve at a Spanish site.





              Crude but effective.
              Last edited by redboat219; 11-11-2014, 01:32 AM.
              Make it simple, make strong, make it work!

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              • Von Hilde
                Rear Admiral
                • Oct 2011
                • 1245

                #22
                Micro drain 12v pump for air or liquid, including fuel. In and out put. Most likely needs a capacitor, and a reverse polarity connection for R/C use and dual purpose suck and blow +<-----> -Click image for larger version

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