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  • toppack
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    • Nov 2008
    • 1124

    #1

    Push/Pull Rod Seals

    David,
    I recieved the 1/16" rod seals. Thanks,
    I assume they have one-way V-cup type seals, correct?
    If so, is there a way to determine the proper direction of installation, or do I need to do some kind of test to determine which way they are facing? I didn't see a direction marked on them?
    Rick L.
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  • He Who Shall Not Be Named
    Moderator

    • Aug 2008
    • 13420

    #2
    Originally posted by toppack
    David,
    I recieved the 1/16" rod seals. Thanks,
    I assume they have one-way V-cup type seals, correct?
    If so, is there a way to determine the proper direction of installation, or do I need to do some kind of test to determine which way they are facing? I didn't see a direction marked on them?
    Nope. An encapsulated dumb old O-ring or quad-seal ... depending what I have in the bin at the time of manufacture. Point it either way you wish (two choices, unless you totally screw up the installation).

    David,
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    • toppack
      Rear Admiral
      • Nov 2008
      • 1124

      #3
      Okay, Great!
      I can't think of a 3rd option, so this should be easy. :D
      Rick L.
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      • toppack
        Rear Admiral
        • Nov 2008
        • 1124

        #4
        No problems! :)
        I used a little RTV to seal them in the holes I drilled in end cap of bow WTC.
        I figured that would be easier to press out, if I ever needed to replace any.
        Last edited by toppack; 02-17-2009, 04:02 PM.
        Rick L.
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        • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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          • Aug 2008
          • 13420

          #5
          Originally posted by toppack
          No problems! :)
          I used a little RTV to seal them in the holes I drilled in end cap of bow WTC.
          I figured that would be easier to press out, if I ever needed to replace any.
          That's how I do it.

          David,
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          • redboat219
            Admiral

            • Dec 2008
            • 3388

            #6
            what are all those nuts and screws on the endcap for:confused:
            Make it simple, make strong, make it work!

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            • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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              • Aug 2008
              • 13420

              #7
              Originally posted by redboat219
              what are all those nuts and screws on the endcap for:confused:
              Electrical contact lugs for the FS-1 propulsion/control system.

              David
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              Last edited by He Who Shall Not Be Named; 02-18-2009, 04:59 AM.
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              • toppack
                Rear Admiral
                • Nov 2008
                • 1124

                #8
                Wow, I didn't realize it had 4 motors. :eek: (Somehow I got the idea there were 2)
                Very interesting system. I'll drink to THAT!
                I bet it takes a little practice to learn to control it accurately?
                That system needs Fly-by-Wire Computer control! :D LOL :D
                Last edited by toppack; 02-18-2009, 09:25 AM.
                Rick L.
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                Since Learning is Always a 'Good Thing' *

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                • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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                  • Aug 2008
                  • 13420

                  #9
                  Originally posted by toppack
                  Wow, I didn't realize it had 4 motors. :eek: (Somehow I got the idea there were 2)
                  Very interesting system. I'll drink to THAT!
                  I bet it takes a little practice to learn to control it accurately?
                  That system needs Fly-by-Wire Computer control! :D LOL :D
                  Nope, easy as pie; I configured it to drive like a tracked vehicle (tank). Very stable, easy to turn on a dime at a stand-still, but takes forever to turn once some way is on. I'm re-configuring it for banking/coordinated turns.

                  David,
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                  • toppack
                    Rear Admiral
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 1124

                    #10
                    I really like the use of the Mixer circuit to control 2 ESCs and 4 motors, and a separate WTC for each motor makes the system much more versital, allowing it to be put in other hull shapes if wanted. :)

                    Are you adding more control surfaces, like alirons, on a servo, to get the roll-control?
                    Last edited by toppack; 02-18-2009, 10:29 AM.
                    Rick L.
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                    Since Learning is Always a 'Good Thing' *

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                    • redboat219
                      Admiral

                      • Dec 2008
                      • 3388

                      #11
                      Minimizing lateral pushrod movement

                      On the topic of pushrod seals. What's the best way of minimizing lateral flexing of the pushrods during servo operation so as to prevent possible deformation of the seal thereby causing a loss in seal integrity?
                      Make it simple, make strong, make it work!

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                      • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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                        • Aug 2008
                        • 13420

                        #12
                        Originally posted by redboat219
                        On the topic of pushrod seals. What's the best way of minimizing lateral flexing of the pushrods during servo operation so as to prevent possible deformation of the seal thereby causing a loss in seal integrity?
                        Make the internal portion of the pushrod long so as to minimize the transverse displacement from center. going to the smaller 1/16" push rods has done much to reduce friction as the more flexible pushrod will run through the seal and seal bearing surface easier.

                        David,
                        Who is John Galt?

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                        • toppack
                          Rear Admiral
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 1124

                          #13
                          When the rods are long, I install a small bulkhead, about half way of the rod length, with holes just large enough to accept rod-ends, and put the rods through for bracing, so they can't flex much.
                          The bulkhead can be made from plastic-sheet or whatever material matches the models construction.
                          Last edited by toppack; 02-20-2009, 11:18 AM.
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                          Since Learning is Always a 'Good Thing' *

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                          • redboat219
                            Admiral

                            • Dec 2008
                            • 3388

                            #14
                            Instead of the usual round hole I was thinking of cutting a oval shape hole on the servo control horn by removing material between two adjacent hole so that the pushrod arm can slide freely minimizing lateral flexing.
                            Make it simple, make strong, make it work!

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                            • toppack
                              Rear Admiral
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 1124

                              #15
                              That will cause a jerky movement of the control-surface, when it slips thru slot, but it will be slight.

                              I first thought you were talking about Outside the SD, but I see now that you mean inside the SD.
                              There are some pictures of a simple linkage hookup to fix that, on this forum, if I can find them I'll copy them here. I could never explain it with just text.
                              Last edited by toppack; 02-20-2009, 12:52 PM.
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