Yet Another Mtroniks ESC spews!

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  • He Who Shall Not Be Named
    Moderator

    • Aug 2008
    • 13404

    #1

    Yet Another Mtroniks ESC spews!

    Over the weekend I was breadboarding the devices -- checking them for a full-up integration test in a WTC I was working up for Joe Oliver -- and an old problem revealed its ugly head: exploding Mtroniks ESC's.



    These electronic speed controllers (ESC) are great units, but it seems that about ten years ago several lots of this product were produced with faulty circuitry -- either the FET's themselves or a component(s) on the board that drives the FET's were faulty.

    The result can be disastrous: a dead short through one or more of the FET's producing enough heat to melt, vaporize and eject both molten resin and solder at considerable velocity. As the above and below photos illustrate.



    Mr. Caswell (we were working for him at the time as product developers and vendor) and I got e-mails off to Mtroniks -- the UK firm that produces these ESC's -- after a few of them exploded on me and customers who experienced the same rather disconcerting 'issue'. In answer all Mike and I received from Mtroniks was a grudging acknowledgement that there was a remote possibility that the company bean-counters had secured product from some Asian 'lowest bidder' vendor. That's all we could get out of Mtronks as to what was going on with these little hand grenades.

    So, apparently there is, out there in the world to this day, one or more lots of bum ESC's ready to blow up if you look at them wrong.

    Mtroniks, an otherwise fine company that produces a wide range of ESC's for the hobby trade -- forever tarnished by one or more bad lots of potentially explosive devices -- now has some of us questioning the reliability and safety of their product.

    A lesson here: if you produce a bad product, own it! Inform your customer base of the problem; do a better job of selecting your sources of supply; and do a better job of Quality Control.
    Who is John Galt?
  • JHapprich
    Captain

    • Oct 2017
    • 883

    #2
    David, i got a bunch of those that are meant to be used. Any hint for testing them before the sink my wtc?

    Jörg

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    • SubSteve
      Lieutenant Commander

      • Apr 2022
      • 116

      #3
      Well, I was debating replacing a couple of those in a newly acquired boat before SubFest. That just moved to the top of the refit list!

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      • He Who Shall Not Be Named
        Moderator

        • Aug 2008
        • 13404

        #4
        Originally posted by JHapprich
        David, i got a bunch of those that are meant to be used. Any hint for testing them before the sink my wtc?

        Jörg
        It's been my experience (about five of them smoked over the years) that when they fail, they fail the instant input current is applied, with or without a load. Have not observed nor heard of an explosive failure post set-up. When these work. THEY WORK!

        My advice: put on your safety-glasses, gloves, hook up the battery to these things and set 'em up off cylinder. If your ESC's don't give up the magic smoke on the bench, you should be golden.

        David
        Who is John Galt?

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        • RCSubGuy
          Welcome to my underwater realm!

          • Aug 2009
          • 1937

          #5
          I've had a couple work the first one or two times fired up on the bench only to spew upon activation a third time. I'm awfully leery about them now. My new 212 has a pair of them in there, but as they've been functional for an extended period now, I think the chance of explosion is greatly reduced.

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          • Subculture
            Admiral

            • Feb 2009
            • 2414

            #6
            I can think of only one thing that would result in these chenobyling in this way, and that is a straight shoot through on the h-bridge. Various things can cause this, but the best defence is to make sure you have a correctly rated fuse on your feed. Ramesh once melted the tech rack on his Lafayette when one of these decided to sh1t the bed.

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            • Subculture
              Admiral

              • Feb 2009
              • 2414

              #7
              Another point. With ESC's always be mindful of extending wires. If you have to extend, then extend the motor wires, not the battery wires. If the ESC is located a long way from the battery, try and move the ESC, if that is unavoidable then consider you will need to add some low ESR caps on the feed, especially if you are operating at higher voltages and/or close to the ESC voltage limit.

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              • Das Boot
                Rear Admiral

                • Dec 2019
                • 1488

                #8
                I’ve got three laying over here in a junk pile. Cheap Chinese guts and ScuMtronics refuses to replace unless I send them back to the UK on my dime. Screw’em.
                Of the approximately 40,000 men who served on U-boats in WWII, it is estimated that around 28,000 to 30,000 lost their lives.

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                • Subculture
                  Admiral

                  • Feb 2009
                  • 2414

                  #9
                  It’s generally standard procedure that you need to return a product if you’re looking for a replacement or repair.

                  I have had products from the US that failed and they follow exactly the same protocol. In those cases it was Castle Creations and Eagletree. Engineers can usually tell by inspection if a device failed due to either component failure or user error, one deserves a replacement, the other doesn’t.

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                  • Das Boot
                    Rear Admiral

                    • Dec 2019
                    • 1488

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Subculture
                    It’s generally standard procedure that you need to return a product if you’re looking for a replacement or repair.

                    I have had products from the US that failed and they follow exactly the same protocol. In those cases it was Castle Creations and Eagletree. Engineers can usually tell by inspection if a device failed due to either component failure or user error, one deserves a replacement, the other doesn’t.
                    Sending it to the UK is more expensive than stateside. These were under warranty at the time. Every product I’ve ever bought, radio wise, was taken back on their dime under warranty.
                    Of the approximately 40,000 men who served on U-boats in WWII, it is estimated that around 28,000 to 30,000 lost their lives.

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