The D&E GERMAN 212 -Now Available!

[Kazzer]

The product will be available next week.



To order see GERMAN 212

[redboat219]

Link doesn't work.
Anyway, How much and what size subdriver does she take?

[Kazzer]

Link doesn't work.
Anyway, How much and what size subdriver does she take?

Sorry

Try the link again please

GERMAN 212

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

Though I've got the initial run of GRP hull pieces and resin parts done I'm awaiting the arrival of mold making rubber to finish off some detail items that have to be added to the hull kit. Another week or so before I get the Type-212 kits off to Mike. Hang in there, folks. I'm dancing as fast as I can.

David,

[Kazzer]

Hang in there, folks. I'm dancing as fast as I can.

David,

Try the Foxtrot, not the waltz! ( Are you only working 14 hours a day now?)
:wink:

[Outrider]

Looks great. The 212s are like many modern stealthy warships in that their clean lines almost make them look like toys. Didn't see a scale mentioned on either the Caswell site or this thread (yet), but 2 feet long and Merriman accurate is probably good enough to make a buy decision. Curious about whether the fairwater planes work, too. X-Tail linkage looks like it has generous clearances and good strength.

Any new on torpedo suitability for this? Of course, I'd rather have the mast that has the 30mm Rheinmetal cannon and the Aladin UAVs inside. I suspect that even the wizard couldn't pull either of those off, since it's a pretty impressive feat at full scale.

Hope we get a cabal report and some more photos soon.

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

1/96 scale. Yes, with a modified SD it will be torpedo-launcher capable.

I can't take all the credit for the look of this model. The master was built (in record time) by Steve Neil. But the real craftsmanship came in when that master was re-worked by Brian Stark who corrected some symmetry problems and gave the entire hull his masterful engraving touch. And the effort of these two was preserved by my use of a glove type production tool -- a rubber mold gives form to the two GRP hull halves and captures every little detail Brian put into the master.

The kit hull halves are hand laid up to insure that the minimal amount of glass is employed and is saturated with the correct amount of resin.

Much to the display of the Boss I've lavished even more work into the fittings package masters and tools the last few days: a complete set of masts and antennas including a foundation within the sail to support them (they are removable); a set of inter-hull indexing lips and a radial flange to make hull joining sure and easy; and I've made a new set of tools to better capture the two different type propellers the Type-212's have been known to sport.

So far I've got a PO from Caswell for three of these kits (and the SD's needed to make them practical r/c submarines). They go out this week. OK start of sales. But, how about the rest of you -- you gonna buy these things, or what!?....

If you don't I'll have to put up with a years long tirade from Mike about how he had told me my time would have been better spent on different projects.

Help me out here, ******! I'd love to rub his nose in it.

David,

[Kazzer]

If you don't I'll have to put up with a years long tirade from Mike about how he had told me my time would have been better spent on different projects.

Help me out here, ******! I'd love to rub his nose in it.

David,

Aha! That's what I like to see! GUILT! What The Wiz needs to hear from you guys is not a request for this boat (or some other lame project) but the words 'We want T O R P E D O E S !'

Surely, that can't be SO difficult? Eh? Eh?

For one who is supposedly so talented, and yet he can't churn out a few lil' ol' torpedoes? It's pitiful!
:wink:

[Outrider]

A few practical details for those of us ready to order:

Does the fittings kit come with the D&E hull or is it a seperate item not yet available for order?

Electronics for the Sub-driver kit: I assume that the only electronics needed are the ADF (angle driver fail safe) and a receiver (I like the SL-8).

Snort: I assume that the WTC is plumbed for snort, but that it's optional. Is small system sufficient? (I have a small system in the cart.)

I added a LiPo guard ($49) because I think they make sense, even though they seem not absolutely essential.

In kit form, this combination adds up to $1023 without shipping selected yet.

Is there anything else to add to this besides Propel? I see no mention of ballast, nor of foam. I assume these are necessary and that the cabal report will adress some of the details. But if there are materials involved that are not included in the kit, Caswell could usefully provide them.

Torpedoes sure sound nice, but unless they run and go boom, they're just a trim problem and one more thing to go fetch out of the water. (Sorry to be a killjoy on this.)

[Slats]

Its a nice kit - but please can we have the torpedoes that are coming soon to eventuate sooner.

Danke.

J

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

A few practical details for those of us ready to order:

Does the fittings kit come with the D&E hull or is it a separate item not yet available for order?

Electronics for the Sub-driver kit: I assume that the only electronics needed are the ADF (angle driver fail safe) and a receiver (I like the SL-8).

Snort: I assume that the WTC is plumbed for snort, but that it's optional. Is small system sufficient? (I have a small system in the cart.)

I added a LiPo guard ($49) because I think they make sense, even though they seem not absolutely essential.

In kit form, this combination adds up to $1023 without shipping selected yet.

Is there anything else to add to this besides Propel? I see no mention of ballast, nor of foam. I assume these are necessary and that the cabal report will address some of the details. But if there are materials involved that are not included in the kit, Caswell could usefully provide them.

Torpedoes sure sound nice, but unless they run and go boom, they're just a trim problem and one more thing to go fetch out of the water. (Sorry to be a killjoy on this.)

The 'fittings package' comes with the kit.

When you outfit your SD you'll need an r/c system, ADF, a 1300mAh Li-po pack, a Lipo-Guard, a V/X-tail mixer http://www.hobby-lobby.com/v_mixer_f...QueryId=248183 and the optional LPB. There is only room in the forward dry space for the Li-po battery -- space is at a premium for this small boat.

The SD is designed and has the fittings for the smaller LPB sub-system.

I'm sending Caswell the weight forming tool as well as blanks for foam -- I think he plans to produce a separate 1/96 Type-212 weight-foam package.

[Outrider]

I always forget the battery because I have a bunch for RC Helis...

Glad the kit includes the fittings.

As to the V-tail mixer, I think your Transmitter determines what you need. Some Transmitters have V-tail options built in. (You pay for this in both the cost of the transmitter and the difficulty in programming it.) I think that you can use the V-tail adapter even if your transmitter has the V-tail mixing built in. [Assuming you want to use an ADF--and who wouldn't--you must use the V-tail mixer and can not use the software V-tail mixing function in the transmitter. - Ed]

I found this GWS V-tail unit that's a pretty good deal, if it works:

http://www.gwsus.com/english/product/aux%20circuit/vtail2.htm

Here's a source:

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHHS3&P=6

Note that I picked a Futaba variant, but there's also a JR. No issue with the one you recommended (and gave a link to). They were out of stock yesterday, but back in stock today.

I'm hopeful Mike will put out some info on the ballast & foam. I'd like to order everything at once.

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

I'm working up the instructions for the kit. here are some of the pretty pictures I shot today to pad out the text:

David,

[Kazzer]

Here are some shots of the 212 Fittings Kit


A upper hull
B lower hull
C fiberglass tape used to bond lower hull bow to upper hull
D tail-cone with installed shaft bearings, yokes and control surfaces
E lower hull forward radial flange
F longitudinal hull edge indexing tabs (long)
G longitudinal hull edge indexing tabs (long and short)
H SubDriver-to-hull indexing pin and Velcro strap foundation
I flood-drain hole marking stencil
J sailplane and fairing
K propeller dunce-caps
L sailplane and fairing
M SD foundation (2.5" SD)
N SD foundation (2.5" SD)
O SD foundation (2" SD)
P SD foundation (2" SD)
Q mast foundation
R seven-blade propeller
R2 six-blade propeller
S Velcro SD retaining strap
T 'Whatsit' mast
U periscope mast
V induction mast



1. 2, 4-40 X 1/8" set-screws
2. 2, 2-56 X 1/4" flat head machine screws
3. 2-56 hex nut
4. sail side-mounted transducer
5. sail side-mounted transducer
6. sailplane operating shaft bell-crank
7. capstan
8. 8, deck bollards
9. sailplane operating shaft
10. 1/8" wheel-collar for propeller shaft
11. radar antenna
12. propeller shaft drive coupler
13. propeller shaft-to-motor drive shaft dog-bone
14. SD sailplane pushrod-to sailplane pushrod interface rod
15. 2, stern control surface yoke pushrods
16. Propeller shaft thrust-washers

[Outrider]

Nice to see the kit includes foundations for both the 2.5 and 2 inch sub-drivers and to see both props there, too. Though I bought the driver specific to this installation, the ability to "share" sub-drivers is a real bonus, given their cost. The completeness of the fittings and their quality is important, too. The more scale in appearance, the more satisfying the result.

The Italians also bought 212s, so I'll have to decide which variant to make. The Italians sent one of their 212s over to Norfolk recently--might be worth a trip to see it (if it's still around). Wonder if the Wizard stopped by too look at it... (Update: it was here from August 09 'til some time in October. See this link. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...0802-nns04.htm )

I'm really looking forward to getting my kit soon--I put in on order soon after this thread was started and am patiently (?) waiting.