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  • redboat219
    Admiral

    • Dec 2008
    • 3381

    #1

    Segmental Vs Unified WTC

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    Pros and cons of using modular interconnected WTCs versus a single segmented cylindrical wtc ? Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_20170331_181601552.jpg Views:	0 Size:	89.0 KB ID:	187999 Click image for larger version  Name:	images (13).jpg Views:	0 Size:	30.7 KB ID:	187998 Click image for larger version  Name:	FB_IMG_1743353264421.jpg Views:	0 Size:	65.0 KB ID:	187997 Click image for larger version  Name:	FB_IMG_1743353304951.jpg Views:	0 Size:	81.5 KB ID:	187996
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    Make it simple, make strong, make it work!
  • He Who Shall Not Be Named
    Moderator

    • Aug 2008
    • 13404

    #2
    Originally posted by redboat219
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    Pros and cons of using modular interconnected WTCs versus a single segmented cylindrical wtc ? Click image for larger version Name:	IMG_20170331_181601552.jpg Views:	0 Size:	89.0 KB ID:	187999 Click image for larger version Name:	images (13).jpg Views:	0 Size:	30.7 KB ID:	187998 Click image for larger version Name:	FB_IMG_1743353264421.jpg Views:	0 Size:	65.0 KB ID:	187997 Click image for larger version Name:	FB_IMG_1743353304951.jpg Views:	0 Size:	81.5 KB ID:	187996
    Interesting topic. Having served on both teams, I have to think that the 'unified' system is better than the 'segmented. (Colossus was unified, Guardian was segmented)
    Who is John Galt?

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    • trout
      Admiral

      • Jul 2011
      • 3658

      #3
      My $.02 worth. It doesn’t matter, if it works. I would think maintenance is the bigger issue. If it takes a lot to maintain, then more than likely, a person may get lax on keeping it up. Both if are not serviced correctly you are going to get failure, but both, if properly taken care of, will be great and give you you many smiles as it surfaces and dives. I look at points of failure. A single cylinder if one of your fewer points of failure does leak, the consequences can be total loss. Segmented, although there are more potential points of failure, if one leaks you lose only what is in that segment.
      If you can cut, drill, saw, hit things and swear a lot, you're well on the way to building a working model sub.

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      • He Who Shall Not Be Named
        Moderator

        • Aug 2008
        • 13404

        #4
        Originally posted by trout
        My $.02 worth. It doesn’t matter, if it works. I would think maintenance is the bigger issue. If it takes a lot to maintain, then more than likely, a person may get lax on keeping it up. Both if are not serviced correctly you are going to get failure, but both, if properly taken care of, will be great and give you you many smiles as it surfaces and dives. I look at points of failure. A single cylinder if one of your fewer points of failure does leak, the consequences can be total loss. Segmented, although there are more potential points of failure, if one leaks you lose only what is in that segment.
        A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.
        Who is John Galt?

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        • Subculture
          Admiral

          • Feb 2009
          • 2414

          #5
          I think the main advantage of separate modules would be say having lots of hulls with one set of electrickery shared between them.

          Of course those with deep pockets will kit out every boat with bespoke items, and these things ave dropped in price a lot over the years, but all the same you can usually only operate one boat at a time, and the more you have the more you have to go wrong.

          With an all in one job, boats tend would need to have propulsion and ballast tank volumes closely aligned or with simple adjustment to offer the same flexibility.

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          • type7
            Lieutenant Commander

            • Apr 2009
            • 186

            #6
            A unified wtc is a more efficient package and works much better for a small boat. A larger boat can give you the luxury of having separate compartments with easier access for maintenance.

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            • Kawasaki Monota
              Lieutenant, Junior Grade
              • Nov 2024
              • 12

              #7
              We can use the mathematical methods to answer this question! The solutions are as followed and the final answer is : unified is better than segmental because the probability of segmental goes wrong which is 19/27, is far more bigger than the probability of unified goes wrong which is 1/3.

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              • Subculture
                Admiral

                • Feb 2009
                • 2414

                #8
                You forgot to factor in sod's law.

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                • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                  Moderator

                  • Aug 2008
                  • 13404

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Kawasaki Monota
                  We can use the mathematical methods to answer this question! The solutions are as followed and the final answer is : unified is better than segmental because the probability of segmental goes wrong which is 19/27, is far more bigger than the probability of unified goes wrong which is 1/3.

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                  Kawasaki
                  Damn! Math never my strong suit. But thanks for spelling it out. I intuitively went from segmented to single, not at all a discission founded on statistical analyses (hell... I can hardly spell 'statistical analyses').

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                  Who is John Galt?

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                  • Kawasaki Monota
                    Lieutenant, Junior Grade
                    • Nov 2024
                    • 12

                    #10
                    Originally posted by He Who Shall Not Be Named

                    Damn! Math never my strong suit. But thanks for spelling it out. I intuitively went from segmented to single, not at all a discission founded on statistical analyses (hell... I can hardly spell 'statistical analyses').

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                    Never mind your mathematical ability, sir. Everyone has his/her own strengths. Just like you are a genius in model making.

                    Kawasaki

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                    • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                      Moderator

                      • Aug 2008
                      • 13404

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kawasaki Monota

                      Never mind your mathematical ability, sir. Everyone has his/her own strengths. Just like you are a genius in model making.

                      Kawasaki
                      Why, yes... yes I am.
                      Who is John Galt?

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