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  • DrSchmidt
    Rear Admiral

    • Apr 2014
    • 1241

    #1

    Need help with the U1 limbe holes (slits)

    I have question. It's about the limber holes in the deck structure of the U1. I've attached three photos for illustration. It seems that the limber holes were thin long horizontal cuts where the radius, that makes
    the transition from the horizontal part of the saddle tanks to the vertical deck structure, ends. At the conning tower the cut is lower, due to the conning tower being so wide. I've marked the cuts in one photo with red lines.



    Do you have an idea how to reproduce this with reasonable effort? Just making those cuts wold weaken the deck structure immensely. A series of bulkheads might help, but you'd need allot and it would be a ton of work.
  • He Who Shall Not Be Named
    Moderator

    • Aug 2008
    • 13404

    #2
    Originally posted by DrSchmidt
    I have question. It's about the limber holes in the deck structure of the U1. I've attached three photos for illustration. It seems that the limber holes were thin long horizontal cuts where the radius, that makes
    the transition from the horizontal part of the saddle tanks to the vertical deck structure, ends. At the conning tower the cut is lower, due to the conning tower being so wide. I've marked the cuts in one photo with red lines.



    Do you have an idea how to reproduce this with reasonable effort? Just making those cuts wold weaken the deck structure immensely. A series of bulkheads might help, but you'd need allot and it would be a ton of work.
    First, shave the inside of the hull under the eventual limber holes to render a wall thickness close to scale.

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    Then punch out the limber holes with drill and purpose modified jeweler's files.

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    Then strengthen between the closely space limber holes cords of carbon fiber thread CA'ed to the inside of the hull.

    Done.

    Sing my praises.

    David
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    • DrSchmidt
      Rear Admiral

      • Apr 2014
      • 1241

      #3
      My concern is not the cutting...that I can accomplish. But the limber holes are not holes but slits that go along nearly the whole length of the deck. When I cut those, Ill disconnect the upper from the lower deck structure making everything very unstable. I can put in bulkheads to connect upper and lower halves, but the question was, if there is and easier way.

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      • He Who Shall Not Be Named
        Moderator

        • Aug 2008
        • 13404

        #4
        Originally posted by DrSchmidt
        My concern is not the cutting...that I can accomplish. But the limber holes are not holes but slits that go along nearly the whole length of the deck. When I cut those, Ill disconnect the upper from the lower deck structure making everything very unstable. I can put in bulkheads to connect upper and lower halves, but the question was, if there is and easier way.
        The pictures were not illustrative of the geometry to me, can you sketch the geometry and placement of these slits and their proximity to one another? And by deck do you mean the horizontal 'main deck' one walks along, and lower deck the sides of the 'superstructure' supporting the deck?

        Is the access break at deck level?

        David
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        • DrSchmidt
          Rear Admiral

          • Apr 2014
          • 1241

          #5
          In the first attached picture of my initia post there are red lines....

          I've also marked them in the second picture and attached it to this post.

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          • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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            • Aug 2008
            • 13404

            #6
            Originally posted by DrSchmidt
            In the first attached picture of my initia post there are red lines....

            I've also marked them in the second picture and attached it to this post.

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            Oh!... I see now. Longitudinal breaks (limber holes) that basically bisect the sides of the superstructure from the deck. Ouch!

            Simple solution. layup a U-sectioned piece of channel, and bond it to the inside of the superstructure before you cut those long breaks (limber holes). That will maintain the structural integrity between deck and sides of the superstructure without need of transverse bulkheads or frames.
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            • DrSchmidt
              Rear Admiral

              • Apr 2014
              • 1241

              #7
              That's a good idea....nevertheless the slits will be challenging. On the photos (which have a bad resolution) they are very narrow, a few centimeters wide. Let's say they made it 5 cm wide - at 1/48 that leaves me with a 1 mm wide cut. I'll have to figure out how to make this accurately as well.

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              • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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                • Aug 2008
                • 13404

                #8
                Originally posted by DrSchmidt
                That's a good idea....nevertheless the slits will be challenging. On the photos (which have a bad resolution) they are very narrow, a few centimeters wide. Let's say they made it 5 cm wide - at 1/48 that leaves me with a 1 mm wide cut. I'll have to figure out how to make this accurately as well.
                Adjust the kerf width by layering thin Carbide cutting discs till the kerf equals the width of the limber hole. Use of a Machinist's gauge mounted rotary tool will insure a cut of uniform height and fidelity of line.

                Install the U-section channels within the hull, then secure the hull to a flat surface, and run the cutting disc along the flat surface so that the Carbide wheel makes the desired cuts into the sides of the superstructure.





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                • redboat219
                  Admiral

                  • Dec 2008
                  • 3381

                  #9
                  Maybe you could try David's technique of replicating the missile break on a 1/96 Ohio class SSBN
                  https://youtu.be/2dDewXvqGWs?si=iglAp3ivhkWu1LQF Click image for larger version

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                  Make it simple, make strong, make it work!

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                  • DrSchmidt
                    Rear Admiral

                    • Apr 2014
                    • 1241

                    #10
                    That's a good idea. Such a jig should be a quick fix...

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                    • He Who Shall Not Be Named
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                      • Aug 2008
                      • 13404

                      #11
                      Originally posted by redboat219
                      Maybe you could try David's technique of replicating the missile break on a 1/96 Ohio class SSBN
                      https://youtu.be/2dDewXvqGWs?si=iglAp3ivhkWu1LQF Click image for larger version

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                      Good catch, Romel. I almost forgot about those old, awful quality videos.

                      David
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                      • redboat219
                        Admiral

                        • Dec 2008
                        • 3381

                        #12
                        Originally posted by He Who Shall Not Be Named

                        Good catch, Romel. I almost forgot about those old, awful quality videos.

                        David
                        There are 5 more videos discussing this technique.
                        Make it simple, make strong, make it work!

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