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  • M-1 Class Submarine Kit GRP Layup

    Here's the first M-1 kit taking form. I think the victim ... err ... customer is Albion.

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    Hand crafted indeed:)
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Albion View Post
      Hand crafted indeed:)
      Yeah, Mike bought this set of tools off a guy in the UK ... or was it Canada? All the same to me.

      I believe it's 1/72, right?

      Anyway, the tools are old and well seasoned -- they require little part-release treatment, just a few licks of wax and a few spray coats of PVA and they're good to go for the glass work. I'm working to minimize the weight above waterline so will be taking care to adjust the laminates so that only the structures above the water needing strength will get the extra glass.

      The above shots show the second application, which is a non-glass brush-on of thickened resin to fillet the right-angle, deep draft areas such as the keel, bridge fairing, and superstructure portions of the tools. by tonight I'll have all the glass laid in and tomorrow I pop the parts up. The first layer was the gel-coat, lightly filled resin -- when that cured I laid in the fillet goo.

      I'll trim the parts to fit, then bolt the left-right portions of hull together -- working out the upper opening for the 'deck' piece, then get those two structures to fit. I'll then take the hull halves apart, temporarily install them back into their respective tools and mark the deck separation line onto the tool with light engraved lines -- this will make further production work easier, as I'll then capture the deck separation line onto the hull parts, making deck integration a much easier task for future kit customers. That one-time job done I'll glue Albion's hull together as well as the two halves of the bridge fairing. That will conclude fabrication of his hull kit. I assume he's bought the fittings kit for this thing to round out the assembly on his end.

      Albion benefits as his parts (used as marking stencils) will already have been trimmed, ready for immediate use. Lucky guy. See: sometimes the pioneers don't take the arrows!
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      • #4
        When the gel and fillet coats had cured I laid down the first ply of four-ounce fiberglass cloth and wetted that out. Sounds easy, doesn't it? Nope, I find that there are many more minutes involved in negotiating the deep draft and vertical surfaces than I first anticipated. I've been working since yesterday afternoon on this first layer of glass and I gotta tell you, laying up within this tool is a Mother! This is one labor-intensive GRP job.

        And a minor disaster occurred a few hours ago: I was blowing dust out from the starboard hull tool when some air got under the gel-coat and popped a four-square inch piece off the cavity and across the shop. I decided to leave the rest of the gel-coat as is and proceed with glassing. This means a lot of clean-up of the part later. So, the first set of M-1 GRP parts will be mine, not Albion's. Oh, well. I know what I'll be doing this weekend ... Damit!

        David,

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Merriman View Post
          Yeah, Mike bought this set of tools off a guy in the UK ... or was it Canada? All the same to me.

          I believe it's 1/72, right?

          Yes the mold is 1:72 scale and Canadian in origin. Canada and England are all the same? Oh! Dear! What shall we do with him guys? Make your suggestions painful please!
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          • #6
            Send him to Toronto for a week, better yet send him to Hamilton, that will show him!!!
            To be fair to that inbred red neck hillbilly there are similarities.
            We both still have the Queen as monarch.
            A good cup of tea is enjoyed by both but being quickly replaced by Tim Horton's coffee in CANADA!
            They have the pound and we pound them back.
            They speak English, we speak English ( Quebec not withstanding)
            They wear cardigans we wear sweaters
            They sit on a settee, we sit on a couch
            They have Hyde Park, we have High Park
            We both have pints and a good selection tho Mike never developed a taste for Canadian suds.
            England has rashers of bacon, we have back bacon
            We both look a bit pasty come winter months .
            So I can see where he got a bit confused.
            Just because PVA has alcohol in it it is not safe to drink! ( it is not gator aid)
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            • #7
              Originally posted by kazzer View Post
              Yes the mold is 1:72 scale and Canadian in origin. Canada and England are all the same? Oh! Dear! What shall we do with him guys? Make your suggestions painful please!
              Bunch of godless, evil, non-American, speakers-of-strange tongues, yarmulka/towel head/burka bagged/Spandex/Lederhosen (sorry, Johann) dressed foreigner's!

              What the hell do I care where those molds came from, anyway?!

              Nice set of tools though.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rick Teskey View Post
                They wear cardigans we wear sweaters
                They sit on a settee, we sit on a couch
                We both have pints and a good selection tho Mike never developed a taste for Canadian suds.

                Rick
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                American beer is shocking stuff!
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                • #9
                  [QUOTE
                  ... Just because PVA has alcohol in it it is not safe to drink! ( it is not gator aid)
                  Rick[/QUOTE]

                  It's Not!????

                  (oh, no!).

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                  • #10
                    You guys realize I'm going to delete all this chatter real soon, don't you?

                    I can see why the Wiz said UK = CDN. The Brits loved Canada so much that they took about 80 years to give every bit of it independence. (1867 - 1949 (for the Newfies), but that was just the territory. Canada's last legal dependency on the UK Parliament wasn't scratched 'til 1982. It took a long, long time for the sun to set on the British Empire. It would've been much quicker if the Canadians had put up an actual fight...

                    The Wizard has other work to do, anyway. While the resin dries on the M1, he has some 'splainin' to do about the mini-SubDriver, and then there's the Type 214, which has been languishing almost as long as the prototype.
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                    • #11
                      We join this thread, now in progress.

                      Anyway ...

                      ... Man! These tools are deceptively simple looking. But all those deep, high draft areas require so, so much attention. I'm day-three into this lay-up and I'm not done yet!

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                      • #12
                        Going to town with that lay-up, aren't you Dave.

                        I have only ever done GRP work with CSM and tissue, which is a lot less hassle, but you'll get a nice light weight hull with the cloth.

                        I guess a second hull will go quicker as you'll have all the patterns for the cloth.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Subculture View Post
                          Going to town with that lay-up, aren't you Dave.

                          I have only ever done GRP work with CSM and tissue, which is a lot less hassle, but you'll get a nice light weight hull with the cloth.

                          I guess a second hull will go quicker as you'll have all the patterns for the cloth.
                          Yeah, Andy, I"m getting sick of all the hours it takes to drive the cloth around. Next one the majority of the glass will be light-weight mat with only some weaved cloth for the above waterline portions (bridge fairing, superstructure, and upper hull portions). It's the keel area that has taken the most effort believe it or not.

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                          • #14
                            I don't blame you, and it'll be more than adequate strength wise.
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                            • #15
                              So I pop out the first set of GRP parts and their pretty fair ... not good enough for a customer, but good enough to size the upper hull so I can use it as a stencil off of which I can scribe in the 'hatch' separation lines into the tools -- lines that will later help me cut out the production GRP pieces so the end-user won't have to go through all the steps below to establish symmetrical longitudinal and radial cuts.

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