Lindberg Japanese wwii submarines

[herrmill]

Another Delay?

So what is up with this Lindberg release that seems to be continually delayed. I am beginning to think it truly is vaporware.

Perhaps Ernie is actually reading the hobby forums & decided to fix some of the glaring inaccuracies that have been pointed out.

[Mario]

This is a response to Toppack, I have read your questions in regard to my model, My model is a Junsen B type "I-29" Therefore it cannot store/ launch a bigger aircraft then the E14Y1 "Glenn". My submarine model, personnel and the Glenn plane fall within the same scale ranges. It is a tight fit in the hanger as on the real boat, but bear in mind that during the storage phase the Glenn was disassembled, don't mistake the Glenn’s functionality to the more popular and improved I /400 Seiran sea plane. The Glens cradle falls down on joints, the prop, floats, and wings removed and harnessed on the inner walls of the cylinder next to the plane. It probably took them much more precious time to set up a launch and this was evidently improved on the larger I/400 series. I built my model many years ago pre internet, I never learned what the eyelets were for other then the I29 had them, I recommend you get a copy of the new Vanguard Imperial Japanese Navy Submarines 1941-45. You will be able to see how the Glenn was stored on the Junsen B, the New Kaidai B1 & B2 just from the illustration on the front cover. Note- The three listed types all look similar but they differ in their internal machinery.
Junsen B-
I-15,17,19,21, 23 25 to 39
New Kaidai B1-
I-40 to 45
New Kaidai B2-
I-54,56,58 Note Late war configuration for the I -58 and the 56 were modified to carry 6 Kaiten therefore they had their air craft hangers and catapults removed.

[toppack]

Hello, Mario
Thanks for the Info, very interesting.
A Great looking model.
I didn't realize the plane was disassembled That much!
I will look for that book, since I definitely plan to get Lindberg's kit if they ever release it again.
I can't remember, is yours RC? If so, how did it perform?

[Mario]

Thanks, Yes,it used to run it on a WTC with the dual motors, because of the weight I had a low draft. it gave me many hours of fun. It is also fully lighted, the AA gun used to swivel around but the motor rusted since then. Nowadays I don't have time to tinker with it so it's minus its wtc and dormant.

[herrmill]

Mario,

Good to see you slumming here with the rest of us in Caswell's corner!

Would you happen to have any other drawings of that caliber you'd like to share? Steve Lund & I had been working on templates for the parts we'll need for the B1 conversion & those are some of the best I've seen. Thanks.

Next time I make it back home, I'll be sure to pay a visit your way. :wink:

Chuck

[Mario]

Hi Chuck, Actually I just ran into this board, and I see you are here also. I got that picture from a Japanese book, I will look into my older archives and see if can dig up some more stuff for you, it should take a few days. I will send you an email soon.

"Hey, don't let a great model like that Die!"

Actually dyeing is too terminal of a word to use, More Hibernation is better here, actually the sub is enshrined with the rest my ongoing IJN collection. Here she is as of this morning with rest of the combined fleet. I hope this brings an up mood level for IJN lover, Enjoy, BTW Happy & safe 4th of July

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

Mario,

Go'damn! ... you have a fine collection there!

You obviously know your way around the IJN fleet -- what kind of dope do you have on the I-53 and I-20 class boats coming to us (eventually!) as 1/72
kits from Lindberg?

Love your weathering.

I'm going to have to work up a fittings kit to convert those plastic model kits into practical r/c models (see the thread above on the work I'm doing for the Type-7 as an example). Can you help me out with plans and photos?

Chuck has already identified problems with the kits, based on photos of test-shots of sprues he's looked over. The bow area in particular he reports are in much need of alteration/replacement and I want to be on top of that, with documentation on hand, when I get my samples from Lindberg -- the objective is to have a fittings kit ready by time the kits hit the American shores. And the scale fidelity of my fittings kits will only be as good as the documentation I secure in support of the project. You seem to be the resident IJN expert here.

Help, Obywon Kenobee, your my only hope ...

David,

[herrmill]

Mario,

Thanks for the offer & take your time. I'm certainly in no rush with this latest delay from Lindberg.

Based on what I've seen here, I'll certainly be planning my next trip to include a visit to see your IJN museum. My gawd, that's impressive!

Enjoy your holiday as well. Happy 4th everyone!

Chuck

[Mario]

Hi Guys, Thank you all for the compliments, On The weathering I try to represent them as on the box arts, as you can tell I have a thing for the IJN box artworks. Hi Dave, I have seen the problems raised about the Lindbergh boats mentioned, there are a few more issues that I observed right from the beginning, however I am not going to bash Lindbergh for thinking out of the box. I do feel they should have found someone they can trust with the knowledge required. I also don’t understand why they just did not up-scale the old Nichimo I-19 which to me is in the top rating of the best submarine kits ever made. The kits are going to require a lot of upgrades, I am personally over extended enough as it is with US fleet boat upgrades so I am not going to touch these kits.


I will see what I can dig up for you. There are a lot of new Gakken type books on IJN subs, the books have good photo references but the only bad thing is that they are in Japanese. I do recommend getting hold of the photos from the National Geographic study on the sunken I-52. They also have it as a video documentary. This is the sub they presumed was full of gold when she went down by a US airborne homing torpedoes. Its profile is close in appearance to the I53 kit. The sunken detail photos are very clear for a wreck, which is very well preserved at it’s depth. You will be able to see a lot of the tower detailing and the stern.

Btw, I added some more info to my original post regards to the B,B1 and B2 aircraft carrying submarines

[Mario]

Here is the innards of a B Series Bow

[herrmill]

My fingers are crossed that the latest word on Aug delivery is correct.

[herrmill]

Me thinks its going to take a lot more than bondo to turn this sow into a silk purse...



Mr. Merriman, you ready to get to work?

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

Oh, no!

Chuck! This is going to be awful.

Looks like the entire profile of the bow is wrong. This might require an entirely new (replacement) GRP bow section with resin parts for the appendages.

Any good peeks at the stern on this waste of plastic yet?

This sucks!!!!!

David,

[herrmill]

At first I suspected that the factory got the tooling mixed up & included the bow section from the upcoming 1/200 Graf Zeppelin but then realized this is Lindberg after all. They'll incorporate the SAME tools for both kits to save money. :wink:

Lets hope it was corrected, hence the reason for this latest delay. That photo appears to be from earlier this year & I've not seen any other photos other than what was posted on RCG yesterday. My fingers are crossed that the I-20 is a better representation from what I've seen of their earlier prototype photos. Unfortunately, I've not seen any closeups of the I-20 bow so your guess is as good as mine.

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

I suspect that the shots of the I-20 are a scratch-built trade-show piece commissioned for presentations only, what, two years ago now? I fear that that model is not representative of the eventual product. God what a terrible weathering job -- how was it applied ... with fire-crackers?!

Sorry to be so negative, but I've seen nothing (other than the otherwise not too out-of-scale looking trade-show models) of the test-shot photos that made me feel good about the eventual kits fidelity of scale. But ... hope springs eternal; maybe the long delay was to 'fix' things? We'll know pretty soon I guess.

David,