Lindberg Japanese wwii submarines

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

I wouldn't get too anal over details like this. Afterall, this is a Lindberg kit which says a lot. I'd rather see the energy spent in lobbying Nautilus, IBS, Eduard, Lion Roar, etc to offer aftermarket kits to better detail this beast.

I-24 was the last of the C1 type so yes, it will be same as I-20.

White man speakum truth!

Chuck's right on the money here: You anal retentive types just back off, accept that the typical model fidelity out of Lindberg is crap, and work to get the aftermarket guys (like me) to produce the fixes needed to get these two kits up to a reasonable standard of scale fidelity.

Stop with frig'n nit-picking already!

David,

[toppack]

I don't know about Albion, but I'm having Fun learning about Japanese submarines, so don't Bug me. And I appreciate his help.
It's Called 'Research into history of the Submarine Design of WW2' ;)
But 'Nit-picking' can be Interesting too.:D
Try it, You'll Like it! I'll drink to THAT!

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

I don't know about Albion, but I'm having Fun learning about Japanese submarines, so don't Bug me. And I appreciate his help.
It's Called 'Research into history of the Submarine Design of WW2' ;)
But 'Nit-picking' can be Interesting too.:D
Try it, You'll Like it! I'll drink to THAT!

I appreciate that. Just don't agonize over the two kits too much after you flip open the box lids.

David,

[toppack]

Mike,
Please note that someone else used the dirty words Agonize and Crap, in describing one of your products. :rolleyes:
It wasn't Innocent Me! :)

I'm still going to Buy one tho, No matter how Bad he talks about them. :D LOL :D
(Just more of a Challenge)

[Albion]

do we know if the drain patterns are the same:rolleyes: and how many rivets were used in each. write your answers on a post card and send them to local asylum

[toppack]

do we know if the drain patterns are the same:rolleyes: and how many rivets were used in each. write your answers on a post card and send them to local asylum

:D LOL :D
But I can't build an accurate Model, if I don't know the exact rivet count! :D

I still can't find a picture of I-24, they certainly didn't take many pictures of them? :rolleyes:
If they did, they're not on the Internet?

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

Okay, I won't Blame you David.
I might blame Mike a Little tho, since he's supposed to make them fix everything, Correct? :D

Hey, Mike's the guy who makes these toys available to us. No Mike, no toys.

He/we have some control over our sources of supply, but only to a very limited degree. That degree a function of how much he buys from any particular source.

Big outfits, like Lindberg, if they don't work with us during the product development stage, will not/can not 'improve' the product once the tools have been made and production gets underway -- we're stuck (for the entire run of the product) with what they came up with. That's why cooperation between manufacturer and distributor is so important during the product planning stage ... but so little practiced.

These Jap sub kits, now on their way here via a very slow-boat from China (am I and Chuck the only ones to see the irony with that), will be only as good (fidelity to prototype speaking) as the manufacturers research and ability of their people to produce tools faithful to the dimensions and geometry revealed by those documents. Two things have to work right and the problems the product encounters as to scale will be the result of the shortcomings, to varying degree, of documentation and execution; the scale fidelity of the end product is only as fine as the weakest elements of the research and craftsmanship invested.

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

Sure, but Mike's the one we can Blame, that's with in Yellin' distance. :D LOL

Only trying to get in 'My Diggs', I realize there's not much control on this side of the Pond. ;)

Has anyone heard if they actually changed mold designs for these kits, or is it all wishfull Hopeing?

I think the long gestation period for these particular kits may indeed be because of problems encountered with the test shots (pictures of which appeared at least six months ago), necessitating re-worked tools.

Now, whether or not those tooling changes were executed (if indeed tooling changes are the reason for the delay) to correct process faults or to make the kit parts more faithful to prototype, I don't know.

Short answer: I don't know.

David,

[Albion]

:D LOL :D
But I can't build an accurate Model, if I don't know the exact rivet count! :D

I still can't find a picture of I-24, they certainly didn't take many pictures of them? :rolleyes:
If they did, they're not on the Internet?

They probably are on the internet, but you need to use japanese text to search for them, we need someone with good japanese skills to find links.

I have surfaced photos of I16, 18 & 24 also 18 being launched. the surface shots are distance so they all look the same to me!!!

The books I have which Hermill mentioned, don't have many C class photos but they do have a lot of close ups of other boats, which is good for giving a FEEL for how the IJN boats were put together and looked after. there is one nice "FOR MUM" photo, of a young guy stood right in front of I16 tower

[herrmill]

Dave, thanks for adding some sense of reality here. Funny, but last word I heard was that Lindberg were to come from a US-based plastic injector. Oh well, another American job lost.

Rick, here are a few photos to tease you. Am certain Albion has many more in his treasure trove of books from Tokyo but if you play SH4, you may want to download the latest IJN mods from SubSim. The developer who's writing the code was kind enough to share some of his intel with me &, from the looks of it, he's done a pretty good job. He's working through the B types now & will begin working on C boats next.

Chuck

[herrmill]

Its not SubSim software, but just another independent mod offered for the Silent Hunter 4 series.

[toppack]

Okay, that I've heard of, but don't have it.

Some of the reviews I read said the game has a Lot of Bugs?
Have these been fixed or are there patches to fix them?
I doubt my ol' PC would meet the system-requirements to run the game anyway. :(

http://old.gameplanet.co.nz/mag.dyn/Reviews/3181.html

[herrmill]

Here's something else to chew on even if its just one modeler's interpretation of I-29, a B1 type. This is Mario Grima's build from a SSY hull & it shows a lot of the same detail you'll find on the C type. His research on this was pretty thorough & I'll be happy to share the details he sent me in emails earlier this year.

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/ss/ijn/i29-48-mg/mg-index.html

Chuck

[toppack]

Can you say 'Tight Fit'? I don't see how they got an airplane in and out of that small tube hanger and it still be able to fly ? :eek: Were the large float-planes Not put in the hanger?
(the prop alone has a larger diameter than the hanger) :rolleyes:
Or is something not scaled correctly on this model? Are the plane and figures too large?

Anyone know what all the rings (eyelets) on outside of hanger were for?

[Davinci]

The latest Info from Lindberg is that these will start shipping the last week in July '09.