Sheerline 1:27 German Type IID sub

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • roedj
    Captain
    • Sep 2008
    • 563

    #16
    edit to post #13

    I forgot the bow dive plane guards.

    Here they are...Click image for larger version

Name:	023 bow dive planes guards.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	84.7 KB
ID:	62741

    Dan
    Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

    Comment

    • He Who Shall Not Be Named
      Moderator
      • Aug 2008
      • 12338

      #17
      Pretty fair shipping box, but bubble-wrap does not an inner box make! should have been double-boxed with at least a 2" annular space.

      The glass layup (chop-gun) is way, way, way, way waaaaayyyyy overdone! the upper hull half must weight a ton.

      Love the engineering that went into the bow and skeg pieces -- good work.

      David
      Who is John Galt?

      Comment

      • roedj
        Captain
        • Sep 2008
        • 563

        #18
        DIY cam - the ballast system "brain"

        Sheerline uses a very simple ballast system. Basically, water is pumped into a closed tank which a) adds weight to the sub - causes it to dive, and b) pressurizes the trapped air inside the tank. As the pump is not the sealed type a pinch valve in needed to hold the air and ballast water in the tank.

        here is the pinch valve...Click image for larger version

Name:	016a pinch valve.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	87.1 KB
ID:	62743

        here is the switch controlling the pump motor...Click image for larger version

Name:	017a ballast pump motor switch.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	90.3 KB
ID:	62744

        Sheerline recommends using a ball raced servo. I chose this one...Click image for larger version

Name:	018 ballraced hi-torque servo.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	86.4 KB
ID:	62745

        here is the servo mounted on the equipment tray...Click image for larger version

Name:	019a ballast control assy.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	88.0 KB
ID:	62746Click image for larger version

Name:	019b ballast control assy.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	86.0 KB
ID:	62747


        there are three states to the cam:
        here is the cam...Click image for larger version

Name:	019c ballast control assy.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	89.2 KB
ID:	62748

        1) pinch valve open - air and water flow in or out of the tank + pump is off...Click image for larger version

Name:	019e ballast control assy.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	93.8 KB
ID:	62749

        2) pinch valve closed - pump motor off...Click image for larger version

Name:	019d ballast control assy.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	93.9 KB
ID:	62750 and

        3) pinch valve open - pump motor on - ballast water is being pumped into the tank...Click image for larger version

Name:	019f ballast control assy.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	94.4 KB
ID:	62751

        the cam was made from a medium sized servo wheel.

        Dan
        Last edited by roedj; 06-20-2011, 10:51 AM. Reason: spelink
        Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

        Comment

        • roedj
          Captain
          • Sep 2008
          • 563

          #19
          Originally posted by Merriman
          Pretty fair shipping box, but bubble-wrap does not an inner box make! should have been double-boxed with at least a 2" annular space.

          The glass layup (chop-gun) is way, way, way, way waaaaayyyyy overdone! the upper hull half must weight a ton.

          Love the engineering that went into the bow and skeg pieces -- good work.

          David
          Don't know sub weight but shipping weight of box was 22 Kgs = 48.5 lbs.

          Dan
          Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

          Comment

          • He Who Shall Not Be Named
            Moderator
            • Aug 2008
            • 12338

            #20
            A beautifully simple and effective method of getting the water in and out of the ballast tank. Problem is the free water in the tank in submerged trim -- will its shifting around adversely affect pitch stability?

            David,
            Who is John Galt?

            Comment

            • roedj
              Captain
              • Sep 2008
              • 563

              #21
              Originally posted by Merriman
              A beautifully simple and effective method of getting the water in and out of the ballast tank. Problem is the free water in the tank in submerged trim -- will its shifting around adversely affect pitch stability?

              David,
              Fair enough - I'm hoping there's baffles in the tank.

              What you can't see from my pictures is the built-in failsafe. If I make the cam so that the pinch valve is never truly totally closed then there will be a slow but steady leak of water from the tank. Not enough to greatly disrupt the diving trim but enough so that, over time (the time is determined by the amount of leak) the sub will return to positive buoyancy and surface. Personally, I'd like to see a more positive/active failsafe like a gas system blowing out the water but that's not the case here.

              Dan
              Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

              Comment

              • roedj
                Captain
                • Sep 2008
                • 563

                #22
                Originally posted by Merriman
                Pretty fair shipping box, but bubble-wrap does not an inner box make! should have been double-boxed with at least a 2" annular space.
                David
                I should have mentioned that in addition to the bubble wrap the box was filled with styrofoam peanuts.

                Dan
                Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

                Comment

                • roedj
                  Captain
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 563

                  #23
                  more..........

                  more parts...Click image for larger version

Name:	023 aerial + DF loop.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	81.9 KB
ID:	62752Click image for larger version

Name:	023 gun mount.jpg
Views:	2
Size:	85.2 KB
ID:	62753Click image for larger version

Name:	023 aft jumpwire supports.jpg
Views:	2
Size:	85.3 KB
ID:	62754Click image for larger version

Name:	023 aft hull locating pin.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	82.9 KB
ID:	62755Click image for larger version

Name:	023 lower hull spreader.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	83.0 KB
ID:	62756Click image for larger version

Name:	023 bollards fore & aft.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	86.8 KB
ID:	62757

                  Click image for larger version

Name:	023 tower mounting blocks.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	85.0 KB
ID:	62758

                  Dan
                  Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

                  Comment

                  • He Who Shall Not Be Named
                    Moderator
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 12338

                    #24
                    Originally posted by roedj
                    Fair enough - I'm hoping there's baffles in the tank.

                    What you can't see from my pictures is the built-in failsafe. If I make the cam so that the pinch valve is never truly totally closed then there will be a slow but steady leak of water from the tank. Not enough to greatly disrupt the diving trim but enough so that, over time (the time is determined by the amount of leak) the sub will return to positive buoyancy and surface. Personally, I'd like to see a more positive/active failsafe like a gas system blowing out the water but that's not the case here.

                    Dan

                    The slow leak 'fail-safe' will, over time, make the boat tougher to drive underwater. Just put a fail-safe between that servo and the receiver and adjust it to open the pinch-valve when signal is lost. There! Done!

                    Works fine, fails safe, drains to the bilge!

                    David,
                    Who is John Galt?

                    Comment

                    • roedj
                      Captain
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 563

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Merriman
                      The slow leak 'fail-safe' will, over time, make the boat tougher to drive underwater. Just put a fail-safe between that servo and the receiver and adjust it to open the pinch-valve when signal is lost. There! Done!

                      Works fine, fails safe, drains to the bilge!

                      David,
                      I take it all back. You're not just a waste of carbon. That's a very good idea. My Sombra receiver can be set up to do just that (I think).

                      Dan
                      Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

                      Comment

                      • roedj
                        Captain
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 563

                        #26
                        yes, more parts...

                        we're almost done with parts.
                        Click image for larger version

Name:	023 fairleads.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	88.4 KB
ID:	62759Click image for larger version

Name:	023 tower life belts.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	87.8 KB
ID:	62760Click image for larger version

Name:	023 navigation lights.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	88.0 KB
ID:	62761Click image for larger version

Name:	023 indicator buoy molding.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	86.7 KB
ID:	62762Click image for larger version

Name:	023 gun mount.jpg
Views:	2
Size:	85.2 KB
ID:	62763Click image for larger version

Name:	023 control rod sleeves.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	86.9 KB
ID:	62764

                        Dan
                        Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

                        Comment

                        • roedj
                          Captain
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 563

                          #27
                          the tower

                          the tower...Click image for larger version

Name:	024a tower.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	83.9 KB
ID:	62765Click image for larger version

Name:	024b tower.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	84.2 KB
ID:	62766
                          Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

                          Comment

                          • Subculture
                            Admiral
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 2123

                            #28
                            Stability is good with these models. If they were poor performers, they wouldn't still be selling 20 years after they first appeared on the market.
                            Most of the models are now supplied with NiMH batteries configured into a long stick that's slung underneath the cylinder. The Type II is one such model, alongside the Trafalgar and Ohio class models.

                            The latter two originally used Pb batteries mounted in the bow, and in fact the Akula still uses this method. Twenty years ago, the only way to get a high capacity battery for reasonable cost was a lead acid brick. But the stability of the Trafalgar and Ohio was considerably compromised with this set-up, as both boats have larger tanks to deal with the large freeboard of these boats. Chris modified the designs by switching to underslung NiMH batteries, and thinning out the top half laminate- the boats handling improved instantly. I believe the tanks are baffled inside, although the Akula may not as the tank is very small on that boat.

                            One thing to be mindful of, is that after a few ballast cycles a little residual water remains in the tank, not very much, but enough to lower the boats trim a little- clearly a little compressed air escapes with the ballast each time the system is cycled. I've seen some people use a bicycle pump to empty the tank completely after a run.

                            I see a lot of Sheerline boats at the Dive-ins, they're proved themselves to be exceedingly reliable and tough, the laminates are rather beefy (hand laid CSM I believe as opposed to a chop gun), but it does have the advantage of making these boats very resiliant to the bangs and scratches that go hand in hand with working models.

                            Chris tends to recommend the slow leak mechanical failsafe, as it's as close as you can get to a 100% failsafe. An electronic system can only work if you have power available to move the servo, and indeed run the microcontroller on the failsafe! If the pond you sail in is wadeable, or a pool, you can adjust the pinch valve to shut off completely.

                            One last thing, always make sure the the pinch valve is unpinched when the boat is stored between runs, if you leave it pinched up the tubing will lose its springyness. Some people use a small ball valve available from Festo in place of a pinch valve. These work very well, but you can't set them up for the 'slow leak' failsafe, also you need to modify a servo to operate over 180 degrees (or use a servo extender) to actuate them.

                            Comment

                            • roedj
                              Captain
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 563

                              #29
                              fore and aft equipment trays

                              I've reached a point where I can't continue without the ballast tank which is, hopefully, on its way to Sheerline. Here is as far as I can go on the equipment trays until I get the tank back:

                              ballast control tray...Click image for larger version

Name:	026a ballast control equipment tray - so far.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	81.9 KB
ID:	62767Click image for larger version

Name:	026b ballast control equipment tray - so far.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	82.6 KB
ID:	62768

                              drive motor tray...Click image for larger version

Name:	025a drive motor equipment tray - so far.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	81.5 KB
ID:	62769Click image for larger version

Name:	025b drive motor equipment tray - so far.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	80.8 KB
ID:	62770

                              Might as well start on the dreaded drain holes while I'm waiting.

                              Dan
                              Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

                              Comment

                              • roedj
                                Captain
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 563

                                #30
                                I started today opening up the flood holes on the solid bow casting. All I can say is that I'm so bad at this. I'm not even going to show the initial results as they're that bad. Methinks I have to find someone with a milling machine to do this job correctly. I can't even imagine doing the several hundred holes in the deck without some sort of machine aid. This puts my end of July deadline in serious question but I'd much rather do it right than show up with a total "butcher" job.

                                Dan
                                Born in Detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten.

                                Comment

                                Working...