Marking ettiquette and cinventions

[modelnut]

What are (or were) the the policies for insignia and registry markings etc on US submarines?

The Moebius Skipjack has the SSN numbers for all of the boats in that class and the orange/red emergency buoy hatches fore and aft. But I have seen pictures of boats with none of those showing.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/USS_Shark_SSN_591.jpg

http://www.ussgrenadier.com/images7/shark_ssn591.jpg

http://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/uss-shark.jpg

And there are some boats that appear black and some grey.

http://www.designed4submariners.com/uploads/USS_Scorpion_SSN-589_1-12B_web.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0859001.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0859011.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/USS_Snook%3B0859205.jpg

http://familydoc.tripod.com/images/592_RioDJ.jpg

http://navsource.org/archives/08/591/0859209.jpg

I know it is imposible to tell in the black and white photos. But they do give some indication of the shade of the hull.

I saw a site the other day that listed the boats in this class and whether they were painted black or grey. But I can't find it today. Do any of you have that site on hand?

- Leelan

[greenman407]

Leelan, that would be some great information.I dont have anything on it. Dave mentioned awhile back about an Atlantic paint scheme and a Pacific one. Before I get to the point of painting mine I would like to have more info. Anything that you can dig up, please send my way. Im going to go thru all these links youve posted. Thanks

[modelnut]

Found the site. But the images are blurry. I think they come from the Revell release of the Moebius 72 scale Skipjack. It would be nice if they had them available for download.

http://www.themodellingnews.com/2013/04/we-build-largest-neuclear-sub-of-1960s.html

Skipjack http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UBDmzXsnMB...ne+%284%29.JPG

Scamp http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8hRDyOsguI...ne+%283%29.JPG

Scorpion http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aFA5WTOc5c...ne+%285%29.JPG

Sculpin http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pbJS2AE2eE...ne+%286%29.JPG

Shark http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P-YMeCAxt3...ne+%287%29.JPG

Snook http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yX5at7U2vf...ne+%288%29.JPG

I don't see the instructions on the Revell site: http://www.revell.de/index.php?id=20...RTN=05119&sp=1 Oh well.

- Leelan

[modelnut]

A Blue Matte 60% + Anthracite Grey 40%, B Medium Grey Matte, C Black Matte, D Orange Gloss, E Light Grey, F Dust Grey, G Brass Metallic, H Silver Metallic, I Aluminum Metallic.
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[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

This is just silly! And yes, there are stupid questions!

Very very dark gray, a lighter shade of gray, brick red, gold, international-orange.

Stop making this so god-damned hard!

Ain't no such thing as black in our miniature world: Scale Effect.

Stop puttering around and build/assemble something!

Don't make me come over there!!!!!!......

M

(Not aimed at Mamas. His credentials in this game are established and undisputed. I rant for the benefit of the great-unwashed looking over our shoulders).

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

This is just silly! And yes, there are stupid questions!

Very very dark gray, a lighter shade of gray, brick red, gold, international-orange.

Stop making this so god-damned hard!

Ain't no such thing as black in our miniature world: Scale Effect.

Stop puttering around and build/assemble something!

Don't make me come over there!!!!!!......

M

(Not aimed at Mamas. His credentials in this game are established and undisputed. I rant for the benefit of the great-unwashed looking over our shoulders).

[modelnut]

I am building. I am at the point where I need to paint.

I asked why do we see images of the Skipjack class subs without their registry numbers and emergency buoy makings. The other stuff I tripped over trying to find out. It seems not every boat in this class was painted the same way.

- Leelan

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

I am building. I am at the point where I need to paint.

I asked why do we see images of the Skipjack class subs without their registry numbers and emergency buoy makings. The other stuff I tripped over trying to find out. It seems not every boat in this class was painted the same way.

- Leelan

Fair enough Leelan. Let's get you started then.

American submarines in a patrol ready state do not display the hull numbers on sail or near the bow. They do have the draft numbers.

The 'Atlantic scheme' during the cold war years was basically all black from top down to hull centerline where the color went to a brick-red (anti-foul formula 121) on down.

The 'Pacific scheme' during the cold war years was black on all horizontal surfaces down to centerline, where things went to the anti-foul red. All vertical surfaces above waterline were a dark gray. Where vertical transitioned to horizontal the demarcation between the black and gray was achieved with a spray-gun to make a feathered transition.

The TRUTTA (working out of Key West) was all black. The DANIEL WEBSTER (working out of Guam) had the two-tone scheme. The two submarines I was on and worked as a member of the deck-gang. I slopped a lot of paint in my time.

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

I am building. I am at the point where I need to paint.

I asked why do we see images of the Skipjack class subs without their registry numbers and emergency buoy makings. The other stuff I tripped over trying to find out. It seems not every boat in this class was painted the same way.

- Leelan

Fair enough Leelan. Let's get you started then.

American submarines in a patrol ready state do not display the hull numbers on sail or near the bow. They do have the draft numbers.

The 'Atlantic scheme' during the cold war years was basically all black from top down to hull centerline where the color went to a brick-red (anti-foul formula 121) on down.

The 'Pacific scheme' during the cold war years was black on all horizontal surfaces down to centerline, where things went to the anti-foul red. All vertical surfaces above waterline were a dark gray. Where vertical transitioned to horizontal the demarcation between the black and gray was achieved with a spray-gun to make a feathered transition.

The TRUTTA (working out of Key West) was all black. The DANIEL WEBSTER (working out of Guam) had the two-tone scheme. The two submarines I was on and worked as a member of the deck-gang. I slopped a lot of paint in my time.

[modelnut]

Thanks, David,

Found a wallpaper of the Snook in Rio: http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/attachments/M...40181dd813.jpg

The image doesn't look exactly like the Revell Instructions.


The sail is very very dark. Practically black. And the masts have the spotted camo pattern and not the solid colors that Revell suggests. Where do they come up with these?

Or these?


Of course today I find a picture of Skipjack sporting her numbers.





I went to an auto supply shop today and bought SEM Color Coat 15303 Graphite. Does this look light enough? Or dark enough?



I guess I will see when I paint the boat. I have gloss black and satin standing by just in case.

BTW I seem to remember a tip you gave many years ago about giving detail to the sonar windows in 72nd scale. Something about stretching panty hose over the nose of the sub and then spraying the lighter grey or red over a slightly darker shade already applied. Do I remember correctly?

- Leelan

[trout]

Leelan,

The paint schedule offered by Revell for the Snook looks like paint scheme shown here at the launch of the Scamp

[modelnut]

Is this an example of the Pacific scheme?



Just saw this on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater


- Leelan

[trout]

HAHAHA, yes and no. Mostly that is me painting it the way I like.......

The Scamp had a two-tone paint job on the sail (Pacific Scheme I believe), so that much is correct.

But as far as I can tell the bow sonar was not painted the grey that the Skipjack had or as I have done it on my Scamp. I have seen only black err, I mean dark dark grey on the bow. Mine, I will tone down a bit and add some weathering. I just liked that look plus it might be a good visual aid while running it in the wild.

[Slats]

American submarines in a patrol ready state do not display the hull numbers on sail or near the bow. They do have the draft numbers.

Indeed - but for a model sub I find that side numbers are a nice addition, particularly for onlookers. The boat looks (to me) better on the display stand with them on too.

[modelnut]

Will make up my mind about the numbers on the sail when I get there.

I planned on getting the first coat of dark grey on there today. But the seam showed up with the final coat of primer. So I put on a thick coat of Mr. Surfacer. I'll leave it to cure overnight and try again tomorrow.

- Leelan