Russian submarine id

[greenman407]

This next set of pictures is from a photoshoot of a Charlie that was being prepared for S****ping

Those are not holes that you see in the bow but red shields of some type on the tie up ropes.

Just look at that sail! Note the massive forward sloped brow. It gives the visual impression that this submarine is a no nonsence, strictly business, efficient operator. Note also the efforts made to either reduce vibration or quiet flow noise by installing those unusual horizontal fins at the base of the front of the sail. Not all of the Charlies recieved this treatment as is evidenced by the previous pictures. Observe also that there are no windows cut in the sail as is the case with all their other subs.

Note the same type of thing at the rudder

Cruise missile doors

[greenman407]

Two Charlies , side by side.

Charlie Pictures

[greenman407]

Thats a good question "redboat". Im sure that it had some but I havent read of any handling problems.

[greenman407]

Charlie I project 670(Skat) was launched in 1967. There were eleven built over the next five years. They had two banks of four cruise missile tubes forward of the sail angled upwards and could be fired submerged and in forward motion. The tubes contained SS-N-7 Starbright cruise missiles. The Charlies, like the Oscars, were designed to attack high value surface targets.
In 1972 thru 1979 , six Charlie IIs Project 670M (Skat-M) were produced. An Improvment over the type ones, they were 26' 3" longer to house the new SS-N-9 Siren launch systems. The last Charlie was retired in 1994.
The Charlies were of modest performance compared to other Russian submarines. It was powered by one PWR reactor and two steam turbines applying 15,000 SHP to one shaft. Maximum submerged speed was 24 knots. They were incapable of keeping pace with a modern Carrier battle group. The type remained dependant on surveillance aircraft to relay targeting info. Something that, in battle, would never have been allowed by the combat air patrol protecting the Carriers. Pictures to come.

[redboat219]

Did the "waist" on the Yankee Notch have any effect on her performance?

[greenman407]

Unfortunately no. But Im always on the lookout for new pics so if I spot some they will be posted for sure.

[Slats]

An interesting boat. Any pics of the screws and rudder(s)?
J

[greenman407]

A last minute entry

[greenman407]

Next comes Yankee Notch Project 667AT(grusha class). There were four of them. Same as the Yankee side car, these Yankee Is were modified to save on resources. An extremely unusual modifacation that called for the complete removal of the ballistic missle compartment and replaced by eight horizontal torpedo / cruise missile tubes firing out at an angle from the notch area. One of the following illustrations will show this pretty well. They could carry up to 40 SS-N-21 cruise missles and still retained their forward firing tubes. This created a very recognizable profile and also resulted in a lengthening of the boats by 39.4 ft.

[greenman407]

These pictures are much better

[greenman407]

Next on our list is the Yankee Sidecar Project 667M. It was originally a Yankee I Ballistic missile submarine that was converted into a cruise missile submarine to attack land targets with SS-N-24 Nuclear tipped missiles. It was 508 ft long. It had 12 launchers outside its pressure hull. It was built specifically for the SS-N-24 missles that were cancelled. Therefore it became a weapon system without a weapon and was striken in 1999.
In the background you can see it. Its extremely long compared to a normal Yankee.

[greenman407]

Thats why my belief is that a person is defined by his religous and moral calibre and not by his geographical location. It has been said that a discussion on the subject of religion or politics will many times lead to strife. Most of the wars and skirmishes down throughout history have been motivated by these two things. Thats why I live by the motto: Just Be Nice!

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

Fair points. All but the second from the last line, Mark.

By accident of birth I was born an American, in my time, and to my parents.

Had I been a Russian I would have helped pull the trigger on any American asset I was ordered to kill/destroy, and I would do it gladly. Because it would be my job and responsibility to the State to do so (Nuremberg be Damned!).

But it did not shake out that way.

I'm an American. Once, an American fighting man. You and many of the readers here are American's. Do you like it here? Want any other country to impose their will on us?

I am not a victim of circumstances.

I EXPLOIT circumstances!

I'm a patriotic opportunist!

Those men and boys who served aboard the KURSK had one job: KILL AMERICAN/NATO SAILORS. That's all that boat was designed for, and if and when the balloon goes up, that is what those boats, maned by men and boys, will do: KILL AMERICAN's.

So, I want those men and boys of the Russian navy who man and support Russian/Soviet submarines DEAD! Let their wives and sweethearts marry farmers and factory workers.

(at this very moment, my Russian doppelganger has just typed out the same message, with appropriate venue changes, to his Russian friends).

No apology. No quarter.

David,

[Rpmtech1]

Carry on dude! You're doing a great job.

[greenman407]

It is my hope that my comments did not confuse anyone. I am not Russian nor do I ascribe to the Russian way of life. I like gadgets and that includes guns. However, at the same time, Im not happy about the fact that they are many times abused. The same goes for submarines. It is not my intent to ruffle any feathers here but this is my viewpoint. We all admire Dave Merriman. However, If he had been born in Moscow Russia , his Mother and Father and all his school mates and friends would have been there. When he enlisted in the Navy, where would he have served? Aboard an Akula or an Oscar. And thats not his fault, he would have been a victim of circumstance. And the same goes for anyone of us whether American , British , German or whatever. The men and boys that died on the Kursk, most of them did not want to kill Americans, they just wanted to go home to their wives or sweethearts. I dont want to get into any political discussions or debates as they are too dividing.