The Great British M1

[He Who Shall Not Be Named]

Chuck

I've read submarine stuff on several of these battleship forums, and I really don't think they understand all the problems involved. (I'm sure I don't either). Even if a BB penetrated the hull, it then has to go through the Sub-driver to get at the ballast tank, and if the boat is submerged, 95% of the power will be lost in the water. I can't see that happening. Anyhow, who wants a Sub-driver shot up? Balsa sides were discussed and of course, that won't work either as it will mess up the trim and even if shot up, won't effect the ballast tank. Because of the problems of having a sinkable area, I really wonder if the entire thing is actually feasible.

I can see the Snort system being the answer to the ballast, as it simplifies things and allows some 'dynamic' diving to obtain depth. Lets assume the boat is trimmed with ballast tank full and Snort tube is the only thing showing. That will be a hard target, as any BB will have to travel underwater to hit the hull. To dive deeper, the boat will need a small amount of throttle, which when stopped, will allow the boat to surface back to Snort tube level.

LiPo batteries would also dispel some of the argument about lack of stability perhaps?

Two reasons I see why we should not produce submarine hull kits to cater to the BB gun shooters out there:

One point Mr. Caswell addressed already: that the BB shooter's don't/can't/won't appreciate the complexities or peculiarities of the r/c submarine as configured for real-world combat.

The other point is the type of activity and type of people who engage in BB shooting. Watch such an event, I dare you! You'll see non-stop banging away with BB guns mounted aboard poorly crafted, un-scale like running r/c ships, narrated with primal grunts and roars issued by the safety-goggle sporting participants.

And who's behind the transmitter stick of one of those shot-up, awful looking model warships? ... I'll tell you who: It'll be a tobacco dribbling, loud-mouthed, gun hugging, wife-beating, illiterate, yellow-toothed, bible-thumping, snake-holding, red-neck sporting a back-wards turned NASCAR ball-cap, who gets an erection each time the word 'shoot' is uttered within ear shot.

No thanks.

I'll stick with real scale modeling. And I recommend we configure the M1 kit for real scale modeling enthusiasts.

David,

[Kazzer]

Mike, you may want to look over a few of the combat warship forums to see how effective combat subs may be & the issues they face. Here's an excellent post related to a 1/72 Surcouf, along with mention to an existing M1 & I-400:

http://www.rcnavalcombat.com/Forum/tabid/58/aff/550/aft/407834/afv/topic/Default.aspx

Chuck

I've read submarine stuff on several of these battleship forums, and I really don't think they understand all the problems involved. (I'm sure I don't either). Even if a BB penetrated the hull, it then has to go through the Sub-driver to get at the ballast tank, and if the boat is submerged, 95% of the power will be lost in the water. I can't see that happening. Anyhow, who wants a Sub-driver shot up? Balsa sides were discussed and of course, that won't work either as it will mess up the trim and even if shot up, won't effect the ballast tank. Because of the problems of having a sinkable area, I really wonder if the entire thing is actually feasible.

I can see the Snort system being the answer to the ballast, as it simplifies things and allows some 'dynamic' diving to obtain depth. Lets assume the boat is trimmed with ballast tank full and Snort tube is the only thing showing. That will be a hard target, as any BB will have to travel underwater to hit the hull. To dive deeper, the boat will need a small amount of throttle, which when stopped, will allow the boat to surface back to Snort tube level.

LiPo batteries would also dispel some of the argument about lack of stability perhaps?

[Slats]

Mike,
flick me an e-mail with all the dope on this new 1/72 scale masterpiece and what hi holyness will do with details etc.
Time I give you and David some more page space in Course072.
Best
John

[herrmill]

I was never a great fan of 'rules' in war. "Stand there in line men, while they mow you down", somehow doesn't sit well. Submarine warfare was and still is 'sneaky'. I like it!

Call it cheating if you like. Those warship guys have had the pond to themselves for too long!

Mike, you may want to look over a few of the combat warship forums to see how effective combat subs may be & the issues they face. Here's an excellent post related to a 1/72 Surcouf, along with mention to an existing M1 & I-400:

http://www.rcnavalcombat.com/Forum/tabid/58/aff/550/aft/407834/afv/topic/Default.aspx

Again, I'm interested strictly in a non-conventional sub that will look nice with the rest of the fleet. :)

[toppack]

Naw, David actually Loves all these Challanges! ;)

[Nuke Power]

I still fully support this project! I cant wait to see what that troll does to it! My only concearn is that Mike is loading so many projects on him that he is gonna finally kill the man!

[Kazzer]

Pond life will never be the same!

[toppack]

I hear ya, but I doubt the other ship owners will feel the same?
They'll be saying "Here comes that Sneaky-Brit again!" :D LOL :D
It may even escalate into them using hand-granades or something.
Before you know it everyone will be using Nukes! :D

[Kazzer]

Sounds like Cheating! to me. :rolleyes:
Since they don't have any depth-charges to fight back.
'Chivalry is Dead' :D

I was never a great fan of 'rules' in war. "Stand there in line men, while they mow you down", somehow doesn't sit well. Submarine warfare was and still is 'sneaky'. I like it!

Call it cheating if you like. Those warship guys have had the pond to themselves for too long!

[toppack]

But, the boat will be underwater most of the time. With an Up=periscope system you'll be able to see a ship pass by, and surface quickly, let off a couple of shots, then submerge! They won't stand a chance, like sitting ducks! Even if they fired, the bb's would lose their power as they struck the water! Me-thinks!

Sounds like Cheating! to me. :rolleyes:
Since they don't have any depth-charges to fight back.
'Chivalry is Dead' :D

[Kazzer]

Mike,
one thing I know about the BB guys here in OZ is that what ever shoots at them can expect a proportional level of fire - fair is fair.

Suffice to say there is no way I'd let my museum quality scale models near this crowd. Most ships here in the BB ranks look at home with what my three year old builds for craft - each to their own. Indeed why would you bother with scale appearance for something that gets the living daylights kicked out of it.

Its a great model and going to be even greater after David's hands have it.
Its going to be very scale and therefore not a target I'd offer up to the BB boys.

J

But, the boat will be underwater most of the time. With an Up=periscope system you'll be able to see a ship pass by, and surface quickly, let off a couple of shots, then submerge! They won't stand a chance, like sitting ducks! Even if they fired, the bb's would lose their power as they struck the water! Me-thinks!

[herrmill]

Before anyone thinks I'm being too overly concerned about the kit detail, I'll let you know right now that I'm not interested in having Dave build it complete with the overstuffed chairs in the wardroom.

I'd hate to think of the poor ratings who had to pass by that club on their way back to their bunks at the end of a long shift.. Thumbs Down

[herrmill]

Yes, I'm sure with Dave doing the work it will be nice.

I know what you mean by the BB warship gang since its meant for one thing - destruction. Still think a working electronic system would be great to see but who knows when (if) that ever sees the light of day. The guys I was working with are not yet in the market after 3 years of tinkering with their AFV systems. You'd think they're British or something... :D

[Slats]

Sounds good. Count me in if its going to be detailed better than a "3-year old's craft project." ;) Will the kit be only for the M1 only or also M2?

So when are you starting on that K class? ;)

I think it most certainly will be scaled to perfection.
Hence me cringing at what the BB guys taking aim at will do.
They don't do scale well, but they sure as **** do BB mechanisms with gusto!
:D

[herrmill]

Sounds good. Count me in if its going to be detailed better than a "3-year old's craft project." ;) Will the kit be only for the M1 only or also M2?

So when are you starting on that K class? ;)