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  • Comparison Chart Pros and Cons for Various WTC forms

    I don`t know if this has been done here before so here I am asking. I, by No means am putting down any professionally made available products. I would just like to know What ALL versions of WTC are possibly able to be made and what in short form are their Pros and Cons. I hope this chart, if someone can start it,, can be used as a basic point of reference for these who want to try to build their own and learn through here from people who have built WTC`s and what they experienced with them while operating.

    Let me start the chart:

    Sealed WTC that draws water with a pump into a sealed ballast tank with a water bladder and uses the built up ballast tank air pressure to empty the water bladder. Opinions please.

  • #2
    I did this in detail years ago and have it posted to my website under the resources section. Here's the info for those too lazy to look for it:

    MODEL SUBMARINE DIVE TECHNOLOGY



    Semi-Aspirated System

    Overview of the layout of the SAS (Semi-Aspirated-System), engineered by David Merriman III


    Recirculating Compressed Air Ballast

    Recirculating Compressed Air Ballast System


    Vented Low-Pressure Ballast System

    Vented low-pressure ballast system


    Compressed Gas Ballast System

    Compressed gas ballast system


    Pressure Pump Ballast System

    Pressure Pump Ballast System


    Piston Tank Ballast System

    Piston Tank Ballast System


    Compressed Air Ballast System

    Compressed Air Ballast System
    Dynamic Diving:


    Perhaps the simplest form of diving technology is the dynamic diver. This model submarine has no functional ballast system at all, but rather uses its dive planes to “push” it under the surface of the water.
    In order to dive, the model must be moving forwards at a respectable pace, enough that the pressure exerted by the dive planes are sufficient to overcome the buoyancy of the model itself.
    These models usually feature rather large dive plane surfaces, and are also normally ballasted (weighted) very low in the water so that their reserve buoyancy is as low as possible, the planes can be as small as possible, and the resulting necessary forward speed to dive is as slow as possible.


    Pros:Very simple
    Always positively buoyant and will return to surface if model loses power.

    Cons:Must be ballasted very low
    Large planes usually necessary
    Model must be moving very quickly in order to dive

    Static Diving:



    SAS Ballast System (SubDriver Technology):


    Engineered by David Merriman III, this system is based on an air pump and is a hybrid of the low-pressure and compressed air ballast systems. To dive, the vent valve is opened by a servo and air escapes, submerging the model. To surface, the air pump is turned on, which draws air from the dry compartments of the SubDriver. Water is displaced in the ballast tank and the model begins to surface. Once the snorkel assembly breaches the surface, its valve is opened, equalizing pressure in the cylinder and drawing air from the surface to complete blowing the tank until empty and the model returns to the full surfaced trim. A one-way float valve ensures that water is not inadvertently pumped into the cylinder. An emergency gas backup is easily fitted to the servo assembly, offering additional safety during operation. A detailed video of setting up a SubDriver with an explanation of how it works can be viewed on my YouTube channel here.


    Pros: Includes the benefits offered by the compressed air and low-pressure vent systems. Emergency gas backup available. No need for gas in standard configuration.
    Cons: More complicated than some other systems. Air pump is slower for large ballast tanks.


    Gas Ballast System:


    One of the more popular ballast systems employed in North American model submarines is the Gas Ballast System.
    In this system, liquefied gas is stored on board the model in a pressure vessel, and is expelled into the ballast tank in order to displace water and bring the model to the surface. Operation is typically achieved through the use of a single servo. In one direction, the servo operates a vent located at the top of the ballast tank, releasing air and allowing water to enter. In the other direction, a Schraeder (standard tire) valve is depressed in the pressure vessel, releasing the liquid air into the ballast system and displacing the water.
    Care must be employed when filling the pressure vessel, as the liquid air is extremely cold when it reverts to a gas, and frostbite can easily occur if flesh is exposed to it. This system also has a propensity to “freeze” up if too much air is released at one time.
    Operators of these boats quickly learn to count their blow/vent cycles in order not to run out of air in the pressure vessel. If care is not employed, the model will run out of air and will not be able to surface again. Most model submarines can achieve between 8 and 12 cycles before requiring refueling with liquid air.


    Pros:Fairly simple to implement
    Very realistic release of air and bubbles when underwater

    Cons:A source of liquid air must be kept on hand
    The model must be refueled with liquid air regularly
    Easy to miscount cycles and be unable to surface


    Piston Ballast System:


    One of the most popular ballast systems in Europe is the Piston Tank Ballast System, made most famous by the German submarine kit manufacturer Alexander Engel. These systems can be quite simple (basically a large plunger moving in a sleeve driven by a motor), or very complicated with multiple tanks and computerized control.
    The more complicated systems will include multiple (typically two) piston tanks located forward and aft. This allows control of pitch by making one tank slightly more or less full than the other. Complete dive systems such as Engel’s TMAX system allow for very precise control of buoyancy, to the point where the model can hover autonomously at a prescribed depth through the use of pressure sensors.
    With these systems, air is evacuated from the tank and is forced into the surrounding enclosure for the ballast tank. These are most commonly used on “dry hull” submarines, or submarines with a large volume of dry area within. As the tank is filled, the air is forced into the dry area, increasing the air pressure there. Care must be made when designing these systems so that seals and access hatches are able to withstand the pressures not only pushing inwards by water, but pushing outwards by internal air pressure.
    When utilizing a single tank, the trim of the submarine will be affected during the fill and empty cycles as the center of gravity of the model shifts as water is taken in.
    These systems are quite robust and require little maintenance.


    Pros:Very flexible
    Amazing levels of control

    Cons:Takes some time to work from full to empty or back again.
    Very complicated when they incorporate circuit boards and computer control
    requires a large volume of dry area to vent into
    Takes up a lot of room to allow for the main drive shaft to extend and retract


    Vented (Low Pressure) Ballast System:


    The Vented Tank Model is not a truly static diving boat, but is rather a very close approximation.
    In this system, the flood valve is opened and air leaves the ballast tank through the vent, which typically exits very high on the model, hidden as a periscope or mast. Water enters the ballast tank from the flood valve until the model is fully vented, at which time it will be sitting at “decks awash” or slightly positively buoyant. With the reduced buoyancy, the boat’s dive planes can now be used to pull the boat downwards and under the water with little effort and lower speeds.
    To surface, the flood valve is closed and the positive buoyancy of the model brings the boat back up to the “decks awash” state. A small pump then pumps water out of the ballast tank, drawing in air from the surface through the vent mast.
    Many times this system will be used in conjunction with another system that will allow the model to be taken to neutral or slightly negative buoyancy.


    Pros:Simple system, very reliable
    Slight positive buoyancy of the model is very safe

    Cons:The boat must have the vent above the water’s surface in order to empty ballast tanks
    Cannot statically dive


    Pressure Ballast System:


    The simple operation and elimination of the need for liquid air onboard makes it a good choice for a ballast system.
    In this system, the air in the ballast tank begins at an ambient pressure. The valve is then opened and water is pumped into the ballast tank, compressing the air, reducing its volume and making the model heavier. When the pump can no longer pump any more water into the tank, or when the desired buoyancy is achieved, the valve is shut and the pump turned off. Assuming a good pump is found, a modeler can expect to be able to utilize approximately 70 to 80% of the volume of their ballast tank.
    To surface, the valve is simply opened and the resulting avenue of escape for the pressurized air forces water through the pump mechanism and out of the model, allowing the air to expand and causing the model to become positively buoyant once again.


    Pros:Simple system, very reliable
    If a leak develops in the valve system, the model will inherently blow the ballast, causing the model to surface.

    Cons:The ballast tank can only utilize approximately 70 to 80% of its total volume, resulting in wasted space


    Compressed Air Ballast System:


    The rather complex nature of the Compressed Air System and the need for a large volume to mount the internal mechanisms makes this system more uncommon than others.
    In this setup, the main ballast tank has one outlet and one inlet. To dive, the vent valve is opened, and water enters the ballast tank through openings in the bottom.
    To surface, the blow valve is opened, and compressed air enters the ballast tank from the storage vessel. Typically, the compressed air system has only enough compressed air for a maximum of three cycles due to limitations on storage vessel size and the maximum pressure obtainable by the compressor. The number of cyclers can be as low as one, depending on the ballast tank size and the size of the storage vessel. The system needs to be “recharged” between cycles when surfaced.
    To recharge the system, the storage vessel charging valve is opened and the compressor is turned on. Air is pulled from the surface through a float valve in the conning tower or periscope that prevents water ingress, otherwise water would get into the compressor. The compressor charges the storage vessel until the desired pressure is reached, and is turned off through the use of a pressure sensor which also trips the closing of the charging valve.
    These systems are typically very noisy when charging.


    Pros:Most like the real thing

    Cons:The system is tricky to implement
    Loud to charge
    Bulky system
    Compressor susceptible to pulling in water


    Recirculating Compressed Air Ballast System (RCABS):


    The RCABS systems are becoming more and more popular in the North American modeling crowd due to the fact that they durable, and require no outside source of air to operate.
    There are two versions of this system. In the true RCABS version, the model begins on the surface with a partial vacuum in the WTC and the ballast bladder inflated. Diving is accomplished by opening the valve that leads to the water tight cylinder’s interior. The vacuum in the WTC pulls air out of the ballast bladder, deflating it and causing the boat to dive. To surface, the valve is closed and the air pump forces air into the bladder, causing a partial vacuum once again inside the WTC.
    With this system, a loss of battery power means that it will not be possible to surface the boat.

    The other version is called RCABS-R. In this system, the air in the WTC always remains at ambient air pressure. The boat begins on the surface with the bladder inflated and the compressed air storage vessel at ambient pressure. To dive, the blow valve is closed and the air pump pulls air from the ballast bladder and pushes it into the compressed air storage vessel. Once the bladder is deflated, the pump is shut off.
    The advantage to this system is that if there is a loss of power, or a low battery condition, the boat will not want to dive. Also, if there is a leak in the valving, air will return to the ballast bladder and the boat will surface. With this system, a filler valve must also be fitted in order to get the bladder inflated once the system is closed off.
    Both systems require one-way valves at the pumps to stop air from being forced through the pump.



    Pros:Sealed system
    No need for liquid gas
    RCABS-R has built in failsafe

    Cons:More complicated
    Loud to charge

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    • #3
      Wow that is Incredible. Thank You for posting this and for your time.

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